Back to my original question; do we not have rules in place for this (unsportsmanlike behaviour or something similar)? It seems a major oversight if not as it is harmful to the game and, perhaps just as importantly, to the whole point of clamping down on dangerous play. If players are going to play for this sort of thing then surely it devalues the genuine instances and makes it difficult to properly police them?
Phuzzy wrote:Back to my original question; do we not have rules in place for this (unsportsmanlike behaviour or something similar)? It seems a major oversight if not as it is harmful to the game and, perhaps just as importantly, to the whole point of clamping down on dangerous play. If players are going to play for this sort of thing then surely it devalues the genuine instances and makes it difficult to properly police them?
It’s something that needs looking at without any doubt. It isn’t Saints bashing but probably is Kristian Woolf bashing, to say changes to rules that clamp down on gamesmanship or unsportsmanlike behaviour would impact on his team more than most (probably more than all to be fair).
If Wigan under Maguire/Wane pushed the boundaries of aggression to their limits, then Woolf pushes the limits of what is deemed sportsmanlike and honest.
I think some of you need to watch it again. Yes Welsby contributes to him going to ground but it doesn't take a genius to work out why. Look at the leg of the Hull player against Welsby's standing leg. Welsby's leg locks out at one point and is in clear danger of hyperextending. He lifts his leg to protect himself from potentially serious damage to his knee. It's clear as day if you take your blinkers off.
The report doesn't state Welsby cheated, despite the insinuation from the OP. It states that Welsby contributed to him going to ground, which is indisputable. If he was guilty of any wrongdoing then he would have received a caution. He didn't because it's clear how and why he contributed. It really isn't difficult.
The obsession with our supposed gamesmanship on here is laughable and has been for some time. Nothing to do with us winning everything though I'm sure.
I think some of you need to watch it again. Yes Welsby contributes to him going to ground but it doesn't take a genius to work out why. Look at the leg of the Hull player against Welsby's standing leg. Welsby's leg locks out at one point and is in clear danger of hyperextending. He lifts his leg to protect himself from potentially serious damage to his knee. It's clear as day if you take your blinkers off.
The report doesn't state Welsby cheated, despite the insinuation from the OP. It states that Welsby contributed to him going to ground, which is indisputable. If he was guilty of any wrongdoing then he would have received a caution. He didn't because it's clear how and why he contributed. It really isn't difficult.
The obsession with our supposed gamesmanship on here is laughable and has been for some time. Nothing to do with us winning everything though I'm sure.
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The Yellow Giraffe wrote:I think some of you need to watch it again. Yes Welsby contributes to him going to ground but it doesn't take a genius to work out why. Look at the leg of the Hull player against Welsby's standing leg. Welsby's leg locks out at one point and is in clear danger of hyperextending. He lifts his leg to protect himself from potentially serious damage to his knee. It's clear as day if you take your blinkers off.
The report doesn't state Welsby cheated, despite the insinuation from the OP. It states that Welsby contributed to him going to ground, which is indisputable. If he was guilty of any wrongdoing then he would have received a caution. He didn't because it's clear how and why he contributed. It really isn't difficult.
The obsession with our supposed gamesmanship on here is laughable and has been for some time. Nothing to do with us winning everything though I'm sure.
Just watched it again and that is utter b*llocks! If you can't see him looking round after a feeble attempt to feign injury and immediately get involved with a pushing match with the Hull player it's you that needs to take the blinkers off!
Called out after the match, called out (somewhat surprisingly) by the disciplinary and called out here. He attempted to get a player sent off. That's cheating by any definition.
In danger of hyperextending my ar$e!
The Yellow Giraffe wrote:I think some of you need to watch it again. Yes Welsby contributes to him going to ground but it doesn't take a genius to work out why. Look at the leg of the Hull player against Welsby's standing leg. Welsby's leg locks out at one point and is in clear danger of hyperextending. He lifts his leg to protect himself from potentially serious damage to his knee. It's clear as day if you take your blinkers off.
The report doesn't state Welsby cheated, despite the insinuation from the OP. It states that Welsby contributed to him going to ground, which is indisputable. If he was guilty of any wrongdoing then he would have received a caution. He didn't because it's clear how and why he contributed. It really isn't difficult.
The obsession with our supposed gamesmanship on here is laughable and has been for some time. Nothing to do with us winning everything though I'm sure.
Just watched it again and that is utter b*llocks! If you can't see him looking round after a feeble attempt to feign injury and immediately get involved with a pushing match with the Hull player it's you that needs to take the blinkers off!
Called out after the match, called out (somewhat surprisingly) by the disciplinary and called out here. He attempted to get a player sent off. That's cheating by any definition.
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Phuzzy wrote:Just watched it again and that is utter b*llocks! If you can't see him looking round after a feeble attempt to feign injury and immediately get involved with a pushing match with the Hull player it's you that needs to take the blinkers off!
Called out after the match, called out (somewhat surprisingly) by the disciplinary and called out here. He attempted to get a player sent off. That's cheating by any definition.
In danger of hyperextending my ar$e!
I think having watched that video again it is far more likely that Welsby lifts his one standing leg in response to contact than he does to throw himself on his head.
That also isn't mutually exclusive with him thinking (rightly or wrongly - in my view wrongly) that he was put in an unsafe position as all he feels in those moments are one leg being lifted/held, then contact on another, then landing awkwardly.
The Yellow Giraffe wrote:I think some of you need to watch it again. Yes Welsby contributes to him going to ground but it doesn't take a genius to work out why. Look at the leg of the Hull player against Welsby's standing leg. Welsby's leg locks out at one point and is in clear danger of hyperextending. He lifts his leg to protect himself from potentially serious damage to his knee. It's clear as day if you take your blinkers off.
Come on YG. You’re better than that; one of the really sensible Saints fans who debates RL well on here with some good insights.
Watch it again, you might want to look at how magically Welsby isn’t hurt anymore as soon as the ref blows his whistle and looks up to see his side being awarded a penalty. No wonder Ligi Sao (?) was furious with Welbsy.
FWIW, Gales red card and subsequent ban was spot on, but the sin bin of Welbsy was footballer-like.
The Yellow Giraffe wrote:I think some of you need to watch it again. Yes Welsby contributes to him going to ground but it doesn't take a genius to work out why. Look at the leg of the Hull player against Welsby's standing leg. Welsby's leg locks out at one point and is in clear danger of hyperextending. He lifts his leg to protect himself from potentially serious damage to his knee. It's clear as day if you take your blinkers off.
Come on YG. You’re better than that; one of the really sensible Saints fans who debates RL well on here with some good insights.
Watch it again, you might want to look at how magically Welsby isn’t hurt anymore as soon as the ref blows his whistle and looks up to see his side being awarded a penalty. No wonder Ligi Sao (?) was furious with Welbsy.
FWIW, Gales red card and subsequent ban was spot on, but the sin bin of Welbsy was footballer-like.
FearTheVee wrote:I think having watched that video again it is far more likely that Welsby lifts his one standing leg in response to contact than he does to throw himself on his head.
That also isn't mutually exclusive with him thinking (rightly or wrongly - in my view wrongly) that he was put in an unsafe position as all he feels in those moments are one leg being lifted/held, then contact on another, then landing awkwardly.
There is no way there was enough pressure on his leg from the Hull player for there to be any danger of hyperextending. If there was, to use YGs words, it would have been cited by the disciplinary. In addition he doesn't try to move the leg at all as you would if you felt pressure and his leg wasn't trapped in any way, shape or form.
He jumps up on purpose. Plain and simple. You can actually tell his motive from the following footage.
That said, I don't want, or have ever wanted, to turn this into a Wellsby witch hunt. I think he's a fine young player. I also think he's probably let himself down in this instance as young players are prone to do.
On that note I won't comment any further. I've given my view. I think this sort of behaviour (as I have seen it) needs to be dealt with for the good of the game.
Phuzzy wrote:Back to my original question; do we not have rules in place for this (unsportsmanlike behaviour or something similar)? It seems a major oversight if not as it is harmful to the game and, perhaps just as importantly, to the whole point of clamping down on dangerous play. If players are going to play for this sort of thing then surely it devalues the genuine instances and makes it difficult to properly police them?
Surely we do? Don't the disciplinary often use the term "contrary to the spirit of the game"?
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