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 Post subject: Re: Championship 2022
PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 7:44 am 
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atomic wrote:None have shown! As often are waiting to see. How you justify that is purely survival not progression.


Months of time has passed and all talks gone nowhere, Fixtures for 12 clubs are now out, P&R has to be honoured, and can we also say TV money now allocated, so it's not actually happening and could not happen without the question being revived after this season which can only lead to the same deadlock we have on the question now.

I'm not waiting on a major headline saying 2 x 10 postponed for the time being, I'm happy to settle for the usual tactic of quietly leaving this to fade away after months of major resistance from most who have had a say in these matters....

Notwithstanding the lower TV money becoming a serious problem leading to the inability of enough clubs to make up a 12 club SL 2023, but as Championship clubs are set to battle to climb over each other to get to Superleague maybe the next question will be move to 14 in SL 2023.....

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 Post subject: Re: Championship 2022
PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 2:54 pm 
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Donnyman wrote:You could put it that way....

But the history is Fev are a club who have succeeded on their home grown talent they once had in abundance, I don't recall any spending sprees....

What they have won in their history has been due to that talent, IIRC they beat Bradford in the CC cup final and only one player was not from Fev & Pontefract....

So that nicely sets up a Question ..... Who was he??


The mighty Steve Quinn (sadly RIP).

BTW Fev still have plenty of home-grown talent, a lot of it from the Lions, and will showcase plenty of it in the threequarters next year with Gaz Gale, Josh Hardcastle and Luke Briscoe.

There has been the odd spending spree, notably in the mid 1990s when a lot of money was spent on a variety of players, not all of whom worked out (notably Andy Currier and Mark Aston, for different reasons).

In more recent years the club has been more and more of a self-sustaining business thanks to significant sponsorships, use of the ground and clubhouse etc to the extent Fev are established as one of the big spenders in the Championship.

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 Post subject: Re: Championship 2022
PostPosted: Fri Dec 10, 2021 10:04 pm 
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It’s definitely Leigh’s to lose next season. No other teams comes close. Leigh will replace Salford for 2023






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 Post subject: Re: Championship 2022
PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2021 5:35 pm 
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The Phantom Horseman wrote:The mighty Steve Quinn (sadly RIP).

BTW Fev still have plenty of home-grown talent, a lot of it from the Lions, and will showcase plenty of it in the threequarters next year with Gaz Gale, Josh Hardcastle and Luke Briscoe.

There has been the odd spending spree, notably in the mid 1990s when a lot of money was spent on a variety of players, not all of whom worked out (notably Andy Currier and Mark Aston, for different reasons).

In more recent years the club has been more and more of a self-sustaining business thanks to significant sponsorships, use of the ground and clubhouse etc to the extent Fev are established as one of the big spenders in the Championship.


If you had so much home grown talent, same as Leigh. Put it on the pitch and stop pitching tripe.






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 Post subject: Re: Championship 2022
PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:06 pm 
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atomic wrote:If you had so much home grown talent, same as Leigh. Put it on the pitch and stop pitching tripe.


The problem is, loads of teams claim “home brown talent” when in reality what they mean is local amateur players they bring into the first team squad just to make up the numbers. Only St Helens, Leeds and Wigan have bona fide home grown talent






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 Post subject: Re: Championship 2022
PostPosted: Sat Dec 11, 2021 8:23 pm 
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TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:The problem is, loads of teams claim “home brown talent” when in reality what they mean is local amateur players they bring into the first team squad just to make up the numbers. Only St Helens, Leeds and Wigan have bona fide home grown talent


They have talent scouted ( I use the word scouted in a liberal way)..The product,the game comes from community clubs. Not these amazing academies.

Everyone starts off at a level. No academy caters for that.






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 Post subject: Re: Championship 2022
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 8:37 am 
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atomic wrote:They have talent scouted ( I use the word scouted in a liberal way)..The product,the game comes from community clubs. Not these amazing academies.

Everyone starts off at a level. No academy caters for that.


Your absolutely right.

Leeds have done well scouting in the Oulton area which is just down the road from where Wakefield Trinity were promised a new ground. Some (already) top talent there of course chose to take Caddick's money and go off to North Leeds where there is not a lot of junior RL talent, and of course Michael Carter does not have such money to counter these "raids" on the Raiders.

Money and success is a great recruiting tool, top juniors are often happy to cross the Pennines to get to that, doesn't make such as Leeds brilliant at "young player development" you can buy success at all levels from the kids to seniors.....

That then is compounded by the quality talent that that does stay loyal to their local SL club eventually getting picked up by the top clubs who can offer the chance of trophies.

There's no even playing field here especially when Marquee signings allow overspending........

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 Post subject: Re: Championship 2022
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 5:23 pm 
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atomic wrote:If you had so much home grown talent, same as Leigh. Put it on the pitch and stop pitching tripe.


What a ludicrous comment, maybe think about cutting out the chippyness, eh? Somebody stated that Featherstone traditionally produced home-grown talent, and I was pointing out that that is still the case to a degree. And I mentioned three local lads who will all be playing regularly for us this year, as will Luke Cooper and Jack Bussey, who both came through the club's own junior system.

There are well-documented reasons why some Championship teams such as Fev and Leigh don't run academy/reserve teams any more, but in any case a chunk of the best youth talent in towns of Championship teams gets snapped up by the academies at Leeds/Wigan etc before they can sign for their local teams. Morgan Smith (grandson of former GB international and Featherstone legend Pete Smith), who is another local lad who will represent the club this season, was being watched by Warrington at the age of 12.

The post I was replying to was itself responding to someone posting about Fev's signings being "the most ambitious in their history", whether that's true or not, it's a fact that the club seems to be relatively prosperous in terms of finance/income, certainly compared with the glory days of the 1970s when despite winning Cups and Championships there was still a need to sell players to survive.

I'm not sure what your comment "same as Leigh" means btw - unfortunately that comment is ambiguous at best.

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 Post subject: Re: Championship 2022
PostPosted: Sun Dec 12, 2021 9:15 pm 
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TheWarringtonWolve69 wrote:It’s definitely Leigh’s to lose next season. No other teams comes close. Leigh will replace Salford for 2023

Not unless we sign another 6 or 7 & of sufficient quality. The current squad (in number) is way too small to get through a season.

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 Post subject: Re: Championship 2022
PostPosted: Mon Dec 13, 2021 11:01 pm 
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How many players have Saints signed from Leigh East in the last 2 years, think it's 5. Think only one has made a matchday 18 squad, but hardly any players join the Centurions directly from Leigh Miners or East. There are players who from for amateur clubs in the area that is halfway from Leigh to Wigan (Hindley/Goborne) but guess what they get snapped up by Wigan, Oliver Gildart to mention at least one.






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