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JONNYGIANT wrote:I'm arguing the point that the vast majority coming over in the boats are not fleeing war or persecution, even sans frontiere moved out of the camps in and around Calais because they realized that there was no genuine refugees only sub saharan economic migrants . As a country we will always need immigration, but we need the right type ,people who will bring skills that we are desperately short of
Is anyody willing to debate these facts I'm here all night waiting in anticipation
JONNYGIANT wrote:Is anyody willing to debate these facts I'm here all night waiting in anticipation
I'm not really here to help you educate yourself but familiarising yourself with the data summarised very recently by The Refugee Council will help you out of your ignorant spot.
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JONNYGIANT wrote:I don't think many would be against people fleeing war or persecution being taken in by the UK ,its the economic migrants which are the majority that's the problem, if they want to come then go through the correct ways ,apply for a Visa, that way we know who is coming in and the have the necessary skills to add to our economy
I always find it odd that ‘economic migrant’ carries a negative connotation, in some quarters, beyond just drawing a distinction with refugees, but an economically-driven immigration policy is considered just healthy national self-interest.
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Mild Rover wrote:I always find it odd that ‘economic migrant’ carries a negative connotation, in some quarters, beyond just drawing a distinction with refugees, but an economically-driven immigration policy is considered just healthy national self-interest.
Of course an economically driven immigration policy is of a healthy national interest and surely that's a good thing
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The Ghost of '99 wrote:I'm not really here to help you educate yourself but familiarising yourself with the data summarised very recently by The Refugee Council will help you out of your ignorant spot.
So no debate then ,just some figures from a bias organisation You should educate yourself mate
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JONNYGIANT wrote:Of course an economically driven immigration policy is of a healthy national interest and surely that's a good thing
And by the same token economic migrants are following a healthy personal interest and should be admired?
Unless we’re falling back to stuff about just coming for the benefits payouts. All the evidence points to immigrants making a net fiscal contribution. You can slice it more finely to say your concern is only with those who intentionally do the opposite but then I think you need a narrower term.
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Mild Rover wrote:And by the same token economic migrants are following a healthy personal interest and should be admired?
Unless we’re falling back to stuff about just coming for the benefits payouts. All the evidence points to immigrants making a net fiscal contribution. You can slice it more finely to say your concern is only with those who intentionally do the opposite but then I think you need a narrower term.
He should be ok with narrowness. Him and his ilk are leading professionals in it.
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