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 Post subject: Re: Toulouse
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 7:29 am 
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Snowy wrote:That highlighted in bold is exactly the reason why we cannot expect too much of Toulouse. Lets be honest, some of their players are getting on a bit, and whether we like it or not, SL week in and week out is a completely different beast.


Well it looks like straight back down, albeit London Broncos with a team that didn't look strong enough to compete, got close to avoiding the drop the other season.

I'd guess Messrs Beaumont and Koucash will appreciate having all this off season, and all next year, to plan for building a team that can stay up once promoted.

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 Post subject: Re: Toulouse
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 8:44 am 
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atomic wrote:I respect your opinions. Not sure why the old academy card has to be
played? Is this solely a M62 corridor thing? No it’s not. The M62 corridor is supported by community clubs. You can’t have an academy without it. So let’s stop the hype of academies.

The current situation with Toulouse is they have contracted players into next season. Without paying them off they can’t buy. Would you like the rules changing to accommodate that?


The reason I brought up the academy is because posters are claiming that Toulouse have to
Bring a tv deal (which a UK based team isn’t expected to do)
Bring supporters (which makes little difference to one game a season and is pretty irrelevant)
Develop french players (whilst uk based teams aren’t expected to do the same re academies)

Regarding you last point No RL “rules” could be changed to accommodate that. It’s nothing to do with rules and everything to do with employment law!!!!
We do t know what the players contract states. There could be a get out clause that states in the event of promotion the contract may cease. And why can’t Toulouse buy out contracts if that’s what they want to do - as I’ve said it’s nothing to do with rules and all to do with employment law and details on contracts.






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 Post subject: Re: Toulouse
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:20 am 
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jools wrote:The reason I brought up the academy is because posters are claiming that Toulouse have to
Bring a tv deal (which a UK based team isn’t expected to do) UK teams don't need a TV deal because one exists we're talking about having sky to travel to another country at great cost to them makes sense to get another TV company involved within their country
Bring supporters (which makes little difference to one game a season and is pretty irrelevant) well we might as well stop selling tickets to away fans then and make it a hostile one sided place to play
Develop french players (whilst uk based teams aren’t expected to do the same re academies) all teams should develop players whether they are french or not no excuse, it was said by bringing in Calanans into SL to help their national team that we have to see yet

Regarding you last point No RL “rules” could be changed to accommodate that. It’s nothing to do with rules and everything to do with employment law!!!!
We do t know what the players contract states. There could be a get out clause that states in the event of promotion the contract may cease. And why can’t Toulouse buy out contracts if that’s what they want todo - as I’ve said it’s nothing to do with rules and all to do with employment law and details on contracts.

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 Post subject: Re: Toulouse
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 10:40 am 
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Donnyman wrote:Well it looks like straight back down, albeit London Broncos with a team that didn't look strong enough to compete, got close to avoiding the drop the other season.

I'd guess Messrs Beaumont and Koucash will appreciate having all this off season, and all next year, to plan for building a team that can stay up once promoted.


Have you not noticed the drop in standard of Super League sides?
The financial situation?
Perhaps how good a coach Houles may be in contrast to other Super League coaches?
Let us all know how strong the Leigh Centurions squad may be; once they fill out the numbers.
They won't be relying on dual registration by any chance? Not a M62 club,surely?






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 Post subject: Re: Toulouse
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 11:14 am 
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[quote="snowie"][/quote]

Exactly- a tv deal exists- so why are Toulouse expected to bring one when Fev aren’t - they have to travel a lot more than once a year and yet are prepared to bankroll that cost without moaning on the same sky money. Sky don’t have to travel if they don’t wish- As Hetherington has already said smart clubs could use it as a way to make money so I really don’t understand this argument.
Having Fev or Toulouse visit makes little difference to any individual club -- the smart clubs are looking towards corporate to make up the numbers anyway. Crowds are down even at clubs winning.
Catalan developing players hmmm. Wakefield have been in SL from the start, in a “hotbed” of RL- where is their conveyor belt of players playing at the highest levels? Why expect this if “foreign” clubs but not domestic- has the standard gone up or down in the game overall.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t be striving for any or all of those things but this xenophobic demand on Toulouse or Catalans by fans of teams who aren’t bringing what they demand is laughable. It’s not based on truth. It wouldn’t occur with a UK based team so what is it?






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 Post subject: Re: Toulouse
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 12:43 pm 
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jools wrote:Exactly- a tv deal exists- so why are Toulouse expected to bring one when Fev aren’t - they have to travel a lot more than once a year and yet are prepared to bankroll that cost without moaning on the same sky money. Sky don’t have to travel if they don’t wish- As Hetherington has already said smart clubs could use it as a way to make money so I really don’t understand this argument.
Having Fev or Toulouse visit makes little difference to any individual club -- the smart clubs are looking towards corporate to make up the numbers anyway. Crowds are down even at clubs winning.
Catalan developing players hmmm. Wakefield have been in SL from the start, in a “hotbed” of RL- where is their conveyor belt of players playing at the highest levels? Why expect this if “foreign” clubs but not domestic- has the standard gone up or down in the game overall.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t be striving for any or all of those things but this xenophobic demand on Toulouse or Catalans by fans of teams who aren’t bringing what they demand is laughable. It’s not based on truth. It wouldn’t occur with a UK based team so what is it?
wish pillocks like you stop using xenophobic when taking about clubs out of this country its economics that's is the problem and when you lose your sugar daddy your club will be the next to go

continue living in your little bubble :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Toulouse
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 1:20 pm 
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The off season is a long period for changes but I don’t currently see Toulouse as being much weaker in terms of playing squad than Salford Wakefield or Huddersfield.

Leigh were hamstrung this year but I don’t think it will be quite as comfy at the bottom next year.

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 Post subject: Re: Toulouse
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 2:55 pm 
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Ornery Optimist wrote:Have you not noticed the drop in standard of Super League sides?
The financial situation?
Perhaps how good a coach Houles may be in contrast to other Super League coaches?
Let us all know how strong the Leigh Centurions squad may be; once they fill out the numbers.
They won't be relying on dual registration by any chance? Not a M62 club,surely?


Relying, definitely not.






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 Post subject: Re: Toulouse
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 4:00 pm 
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snowie wrote:wish pillocks like you stop using xenophobic when taking about clubs out of this country its economics that's is the problem and when you lose your sugar daddy your club will be the next to go

continue living in your little bubble :lol:


Except The economic argument isn’t stacking up- as I’ve already pointed out.
But it’s a bit like the BLM kneeling thing isn’t it. People with prejudices won’t accept them and just think if they keep repeating the same rubbish it somehow becomes true.






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 Post subject: Re: Toulouse
PostPosted: Sat Oct 16, 2021 5:04 pm 
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jools wrote:Except The economic argument isn’t stacking up- as I’ve already pointed out.
But it’s a bit like the BLM kneeling thing isn’t it. People with prejudices won’t accept them and just think if they keep repeating the same rubbish it somehow becomes true.

good gawd do want some squirty cream with that waffle :lol:

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