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 Post subject: Re: Spending up to the cap
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 5:51 pm 
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post wrote:If it's 3 or 4 times their existing salary I can see a base salary for a first teamer fresh out of the academy being around the 20k mark, so maybe Bryne , Havard, Smithies, Partington are on around 50k to 70k? Not exactly breaking the bank is it?


Its not breaking the bank no, but it all has to be fitted into the cap doesn’t it? 3 or 4 players getting 20k extra is another average players value. French and hastings both got pay rises last year which basically meant we ran with a player less this year.

Maybe we should just let the young lads go elsewhere then complain when it happens?

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 Post subject: Re: Spending up to the cap
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 6:51 pm 
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It’s a fine balancing act for sure. Damned if you let young lads go and damned if you keep them and don’t sign more experienced players. Lam played a huge part in it looking so unbalanced IMO by putting out full packs of kids when he could’ve got guys like Bullock and Clark in there. Having 2 or 3 kids in is great but having 6 young forwards in your 17 for a play off tie is overkill.

Ultimately it’s about firstly keeping your best kids and then choosing the best ones to be in your first 17. I look at them all and Havard, Smithies and Pearce-Paul are the stand outs for me and are ones I’d see as first 17 players next season. The likes of Partington, Byrne and Shorrocks are good lads and decent players and all have places in a squad but realistically they should be around your squad positions 18-23 IMO and should be pushing for starting places. All will improve and get better over the years but only in the right environment. Having them all in at once is hurting us and hurting them. Byrne should be fighting Havard for a spot, KPP should be fighting Shorrocks and Partington should be fighting Smithies and all driving each other on. They should not be all playing side by side in a superleague pack, not yet. That should be the aim for 3 or 4 years time but it’s far too early. The club takes some blame for that being the case but Lam had a weird fetish for putting them all in. I trust Peet and Wanes knowledge of developing youngsters to not over burden them all as part of the same pack next season, unless it’s an absolute emergency. It has to be the first priority going in to 2022.

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 Post subject: Re: Spending up to the cap
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:08 pm 
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100% Warrior wrote:It’s easy to jump on this and get angry but honestly I can’t see it being the case, even with Havard. £50k each tops.


As I said, I don’t believe that to be true.

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 Post subject: Re: Spending up to the cap
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:11 pm 
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Pieman wrote:
nathan_rugby wrote:No but their salaries will go up year on year.

Shorrocks, KPP will be next.

It’s just too many forwards, all at a similar level getting upgraded / inflated contracts at the same time.

For me we should only really have two young props, two young second towers at the same time. We actually have 3 props and 3 second rowers all first team regulars


I agree, we need to start being ruthless like Saints are


The gospel according to IL and KR maybe...but I hope we get to hear lams story just like we’ve heard the more accurate one from Edwards!
The ‘fans forum’ that was nothing but a damage limitation exercise where they attempted to spin the truth, absolve themselves and scapegoat lam for their own failures. anyone can see the problems go a lot deeper than lam!

How do you hold a coach accountable who gets no choice of players or investment in the team? Given IL & KR pick all the players I find the sammut ‘story’ unlikely! More likely is IL thought he was getting a superstar and lam didn’t rate him. Would love to hear from lam on it!

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 Post subject: Re: Spending up to the cap
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 7:17 pm 
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After listening to Lam's after match comments I wouldn't put any value on his view of Wigan Rugby League.

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 Post subject: Re: Spending up to the cap
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:25 pm 
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Remind me why we should be more like Warrington?

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 Post subject: Re: Spending up to the cap
PostPosted: Fri Sep 24, 2021 8:26 pm 
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Egg Chasing wrote:Remind me why we should be more like Warrington?


You can always trust them to cheer you up a little. I thought we were bad last night but wow, this is different level.

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