FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home Hull FC Toronto



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 29 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Toronto
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 6:58 pm 
International Star
International Star

Joined: Aug 15 2011
Posts: 5318
bonaire wrote:“Its findings were unanimous - that operating a team in a fiercely competitive North American sports market was non-strategic and added no material incremental revenue to Super League in the short or medium term.

Does it make sense then to allow Ottowa into League 3?


Apart from it having nothing to do directly with Super League, who knows?






Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Toronto
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:00 pm 
Moderator
Moderator
User avatar

Joined: Jan 30 2004
Posts: 8195
Location: Never never land away with the fairies
With the current pandemic alone I think the decision to reject Toronto’s re application was inevitable.

Questions need to be asked why they were allowed in as due diligence sounds like it hadn’t been done correctly reading parts of the full statement.

The sport could not take the risk of the same thing happening again and as no guarantees could seemingly be made by Toronto’s representatives then it’s the right decision.
Maybe if Toronto could have played with an indoor stadium so fixtures could be played in the winter months too it may have helped their cause who knows.
There is very tough competition for sports fans in Toronto with the Leafs, Raptors & Bluejays who have much greater pull and money to market. So could the Wolfpack compete with that and get the needed exposure for their cause and the game?
If any other club had failed to honour fixtures and pulled out they would have to earn their place again.
11 team SL just isn’t going to work so who do they have as the team to replace Toronto? Or do they expand to 14 teams?






I really enjoy long walks especially when they are taken by people I don't like!

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Toronto
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:02 pm 
Club Coach
Player Coach
User avatar

Joined: Jan 15 2005
Posts: 12415
Location: Hull
Rugby league never misses an opportunity to miss an opportunity.....As the saying goes .

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Toronto
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 8:20 pm 
International Star
International Star

Joined: Apr 04 2014
Posts: 7795
ccs wrote:Apart from it having nothing to do directly with Super League, who knows?


It could do if they get back to back promotions so what do they say then?

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Toronto
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 10:31 pm 
Player Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Dec 07 2005
Posts: 7410
Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that Toronto imploded when the club ran out of money and their owner stopped paying up or paying wages when you heard what went on or didn't go on before they were allowed in in the first place. Back then the due diligence needed to research the potential market TV deals etc to protect the game and the other clubs was down to the RFL and we were assured that it was done.

“Separately, it was also apparent that no assessment of the scale and accessibility of the commercial growth that might accrue to the sport from entering the Canadian market was ever completed prior to the club’s first entry into the sport.”






2016 The Year of the Airlie Bird -on sale NOW, price £15, BUY THE BOOK RE-LIVE THE DREAM!

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Toronto
PostPosted: Mon Nov 02, 2020 11:04 pm 
Player Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Aug 01 2005
Posts: 5908
Location: Definately not in the Cuddle Crew
Well thank god thats over - Toronto offered nothing to SL - im sorry but this game is a game played in the north of england, a few areas of France and a few areas of Australia and thats where the game needs to concentrate

Moving forward id go 14 team SL inc London, Toulouse and then either York or Bradford and then shut up shop

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Toronto
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 11:15 am 
International Board Member
International Board Member

Joined: Mar 14 2003
Posts: 25791
Location: Back in Hull.
If what John Davidsons is saying on Twitter about the proposal the clubs have made the right decision. I was never a fan, I just dont think a team that far away is viable with the money in the sport.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Toronto
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 7:51 pm 
Club Owner
Club Coach
User avatar

Joined: Mar 27 2004
Posts: 17298
The Dentist Wilf wrote:Perhaps we shouldn't be surprised that Toronto imploded when the club ran out of money and their owner stopped paying up or paying wages when you heard what went on or didn't go on before they were allowed in in the first place. Back then the due diligence needed to research the potential market TV deals etc to protect the game and the other clubs was down to the RFL and we were assured that it was done.

“Separately, it was also apparent that no assessment of the scale and accessibility of the commercial growth that might accrue to the sport from entering the Canadian market was ever completed prior to the club’s first entry into the sport.”


This is RL's perennial problem, decisions are rushed and the next big thing hyped up with no follow up.

Examples include: Celtic Crusaders started in the wrong place, Wrexham was always the far better option being away from the Union heartland and near our heartlands but the damage had already been done and the debts racked up. Then instead of backing them after a good season on the field and a decent fanbase built they were cast adrift.

Magic Weekend is another, started as an opportunity to make money from Cardiff and spread the game. Now just advertised to season ticket holders with discounts. We were told 10k Newcastle postcodes had booked tickets to the first one there but haven't heard numbers like that since, I bet noone has asked them did they enjoy the day? did they want to go back next year? etc

They bought Odsal to save Bradford but didn't do much due diligence on several owners and now they don't even play there.

Started SL in Paris when a team in South of France always made more sense.

Bristol got 7k to a dead duck midweek America-Cook Islands World Cup game but we haven't bothered going back with even a minor event. England had a great 2013 world cup then they didn't play at home for 2 years. They built up the Exiles but ditched it quick after a bad crowd or two when they didn't market it.

Most fans would like a 14 Team league but instead we getting Wigan - Warrington about 6 times a year.

And that's just off the top of my head...Would love to see the Union management swap places with League for a few years and see what happens.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Toronto
PostPosted: Tue Nov 03, 2020 8:46 pm 
International Star
First Team Player
User avatar

Joined: May 24 2011
Posts: 2466
UllFC wrote:This is RL's perennial problem, decisions are rushed and the next big thing hyped up with no follow up.

Examples include: Celtic Crusaders started in the wrong place, Wrexham was always the far better option being away from the Union heartland and near our heartlands but the damage had already been done and the debts racked up. Then instead of backing them after a good season on the field and a decent fanbase built they were cast adrift.

Magic Weekend is another, started as an opportunity to make money from Cardiff and spread the game. Now just advertised to season ticket holders with discounts. We were told 10k Newcastle postcodes had booked tickets to the first one there but haven't heard numbers like that since, I bet noone has asked them did they enjoy the day? did they want to go back next year? etc

They bought Odsal to save Bradford but didn't do much due diligence on several owners and now they don't even play there.

Started SL in Paris when a team in South of France always made more sense.

Bristol got 7k to a dead duck midweek America-Cook Islands World Cup game but we haven't bothered going back with even a minor event. England had a great 2013 world cup then they didn't play at home for 2 years. They built up the Exiles but ditched it quick after a bad crowd or two when they didn't market it.

Most fans would like a 14 Team league but instead we getting Wigan - Warrington about 6 times a year.

And that's just off the top of my head...Would love to see the Union management swap places with League for a few years and see what happens.

Maybe that’s why Super League are pushing for a break. Apparently talks with Sky on reduced money and nothing going to the RFL.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Toronto
PostPosted: Wed Nov 04, 2020 12:18 am 
International Board Member
International Board Member

Joined: Mar 14 2003
Posts: 25791
Location: Back in Hull.
For me their replacemnet has to come from London, Leigh or York, think they are the best placed sides to did it a go next year, I would have done for Toulose but with covid, it's hard enough with one French team.

I think there has to be no relegation next year.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 29 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1, 2, 3  Next





It is currently Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:20 pm


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Dave K., Google [Bot], Jake the Peg, Maninasuitcase, Theeaststander1, weaver93 and 148 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Wed Dec 11, 2024 11:20 pm
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
25m
Shareholder/Fans Forum
Adam_Harriso
22
31m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40887
34m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63354
34m
Film game
Wanderer
6167
47m
Rumours and signings v9
Zig
28942
53m
2025 Kit
Wigan Bull
36
Recent
Recruitment rumours and links
karetaker
3596
Recent
Rumours thread
PopTart
2525
Recent
Takeover
ComeOnYouUll
20
Recent
Hopes and Dreams for a New Season
J7P1
6
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Spirit of the Rhinos
YoRhino
19
1m
Rumours thread
PopTart
2525
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2677
2m
RIP Syd Hynes
Clearwing
6
3m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40887
3m
Player Contracts
The Avenger
11
3m
Open Trials
Torbreck
8
3m
Film game
Wanderer
6167
4m
Doug Laughton
Les Norton
14
4m
Vegas Baby
Warrior Wing
43
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Josh Thewlis extents deal
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Takeover
ComeOnYouUll
20
TODAY
RIP Syd Hynes
Clearwing
6
TODAY
Small squad numbers
Chesterrhino
7
TODAY
Hopes and Dreams for a New Season
J7P1
6
TODAY
Open Trials
Torbreck
8
TODAY
Shareholder/Fans Forum
Adam_Harriso
22
TODAY
Elliot Michella extends contract
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Christmas Party Night B Vue tonight cancelled
Dunkirk Spir
3
TODAY
Doug Laughton
Les Norton
14
TODAY
Sports Personality of the Year
rubber ducki
17
TODAY
Forget-me-not Childrens hospice
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
All time academy produced Super league era side
rollin thund
5
TODAY
Wigan warriors 2022 away shirt
WWste
4
TODAY
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
Huddersfield
5
TODAY
Captains Challenge to be introduced in 2025
pk
11
TODAY
Rule Changes
Rugby Raider
5
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Captains Challenge for Televis..
342
England Women Las Vegas train-..
520
Opening Championship and Leagu..
687
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
1972
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
1086
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1736
England's Women Demolish The W..
1603
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1829
Operational Rules Tribunal ..
1552
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1786
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
2340
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2541
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2780
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
2327
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2582
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
25m
Shareholder/Fans Forum
Adam_Harriso
22
31m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40887
34m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63354
34m
Film game
Wanderer
6167
47m
Rumours and signings v9
Zig
28942
53m
2025 Kit
Wigan Bull
36
Recent
Recruitment rumours and links
karetaker
3596
Recent
Rumours thread
PopTart
2525
Recent
Takeover
ComeOnYouUll
20
Recent
Hopes and Dreams for a New Season
J7P1
6
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
1m
Spirit of the Rhinos
YoRhino
19
1m
Rumours thread
PopTart
2525
2m
ALL NEW 49ERS ERA LEEDS UTD THREAD
chapylad
2677
2m
RIP Syd Hynes
Clearwing
6
3m
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40887
3m
Player Contracts
The Avenger
11
3m
Open Trials
Torbreck
8
3m
Film game
Wanderer
6167
4m
Doug Laughton
Les Norton
14
4m
Vegas Baby
Warrior Wing
43
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
Josh Thewlis extents deal
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Takeover
ComeOnYouUll
20
TODAY
RIP Syd Hynes
Clearwing
6
TODAY
Small squad numbers
Chesterrhino
7
TODAY
Hopes and Dreams for a New Season
J7P1
6
TODAY
Open Trials
Torbreck
8
TODAY
Shareholder/Fans Forum
Adam_Harriso
22
TODAY
Elliot Michella extends contract
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Christmas Party Night B Vue tonight cancelled
Dunkirk Spir
3
TODAY
Doug Laughton
Les Norton
14
TODAY
Sports Personality of the Year
rubber ducki
17
TODAY
Forget-me-not Childrens hospice
H.G.S.A
1
TODAY
All time academy produced Super league era side
rollin thund
5
TODAY
Wigan warriors 2022 away shirt
WWste
4
TODAY
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
Huddersfield
5
TODAY
Captains Challenge to be introduced in 2025
pk
11
TODAY
Rule Changes
Rugby Raider
5
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
Captains Challenge for Televis..
342
England Women Las Vegas train-..
520
Opening Championship and Leagu..
687
2025 Betfred Super League Fixt..
1972
Magic Weekend 2025 - Back To N..
1086
England Beat Samoa To Take Tes..
1736
England's Women Demolish The W..
1603
England Beat Samoa Comfortably..
1829
Operational Rules Tribunal ..
1552
IMG-RFL club gradings released..
1786
Wakefield Trinity Win Champion..
2340
Hunslet Secure Promotion After..
2541
Trinity Into Play Off Final Af..
2780
Wigan Warriors Crowned Champio..
2327
York Valkyrie Win Back to Back..
2582


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.