Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12672 Location: Leicestershire.
Preamble starts> I’ve noticed that some insults are being thrown across the political divide(s) on a few threads.
When you’ve spent a lot of years coming to understand the world as best you can, it can be easy, day-to-day, to imagine that those who understand it differently must be malign or manipulated or misinformed or just plain dumb. But, while that is undoubtedly true of some, to some degree, the idea that it is very true for very many people... seems unlikely to me (attacks on 5G infrastructure etc., apart). Most people are decent enough in my experience.
I think we can also all fall into the trap of working back from our self-image as liberal/conservative/whatever to a position that fits our existing worldview, or philosophy if we’re feeling grandiose, rather looking at arguments on their merits. <preamble ends
To mix and freshen things up and challenge our preconceptions about the world and each other, I’d like to suggest mashing up elements of Fantasy Policy Advisor (not a real thing afaik) and the Stanford prison experiment (real thing, not without issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_ ... experiment)
I’m imagining two small teams, each containing right- and left-leaning members, coming up with four or five bullet point policies as the basis of a political manifesto for the UK, for discussion with and criticism by the other team.
Anybody want to play?
Preamble starts> I’ve noticed that some insults are being thrown across the political divide(s) on a few threads.
When you’ve spent a lot of years coming to understand the world as best you can, it can be easy, day-to-day, to imagine that those who understand it differently must be malign or manipulated or misinformed or just plain dumb. But, while that is undoubtedly true of some, to some degree, the idea that it is very true for very many people... seems unlikely to me (attacks on 5G infrastructure etc., apart). Most people are decent enough in my experience.
I think we can also all fall into the trap of working back from our self-image as liberal/conservative/whatever to a position that fits our existing worldview, or philosophy if we’re feeling grandiose, rather looking at arguments on their merits. <preamble ends
To mix and freshen things up and challenge our preconceptions about the world and each other, I’d like to suggest mashing up elements of Fantasy Policy Advisor (not a real thing afaik) and the Stanford prison experiment (real thing, not without issues https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_ ... experiment)
I’m imagining two small teams, each containing right- and left-leaning members, coming up with four or five bullet point policies as the basis of a political manifesto for the UK, for discussion with and criticism by the other team.
Anybody want to play?
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
Joined: Jan 15 2007 Posts: 11924 Location: Secret Hill Top Lair. V.2
You're Zimbardo then Squire? I'd play, but I definitely do not have time to play at the moment.
If there is no struggle, there is no progress. Those who profess to favor freedom, and yet depreciate agitation, are men who want crops without plowing up the ground. They want rain without thunder and lightning. They want the ocean without the awful roar of its many waters. This struggle may be a moral one; or it may be a physical one; or it may be both moral and physical; but it must be a struggle.
Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12672 Location: Leicestershire.
Sandro II Terrorista wrote:You're Zimbardo then Squire? I'd play, but I definitely do not have time to play at the moment.
Nah, I’d want to play.
For reasons very different and less important than yours, my work is mad busy at the minute. Need something else for my mind to have a break with.
I hope you’re as well as can be, under the circumstances.
At least Rovers are unbeaten these last few weeks!
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
For reasons very different and less important than yours, my work is mad busy at the minute. Need something else for my mind to have a break with.
I hope you’re as well as can be, under the circumstances.
At least Rovers are unbeaten these last few weeks!
a bit like FC, even more so since squads were furloughed, our lot where in such a state that they could probably lose an unopposed training session, against themselves!
(politics aside, I too hope everyone is as well as can be)
Joined: Jun 01 2007 Posts: 12672 Location: Leicestershire.
IR80 wrote:a bit like FC, even more so since squads were furloughed, our lot where in such a state that they could probably lose an unopposed training session, against themselves!
(politics aside, I too hope everyone is as well as can be)
I think Radford did a good job with Hull - it is hard to argue with silverware - but I think his stint had reached a natural end. That last game against Warrington was very poor. Wouldn’t mind seeing him at Rovers one day, down the line - a couple of years off from being ‘mobile’ would be nice.
Rawsthorne’s late try to spare our blushes against Leigh in the cup was a welcome relief, but we were/are in relegation trouble again.
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
Joined: Feb 27 2002 Posts: 18066 Location: On the road
Cognitive diversity - 9/11 could have been prevented with a bit of that
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Joined: Feb 27 2002 Posts: 18066 Location: On the road
WIZEB wrote:It was weapons of Mass Destruction you plum.
Yes of course - but perhaps with a different skill set of thought processes in the CIA then the perpetrators would have been caught before they actually on the planes?
I appreciate that kind of thinking is beyond a plum like you?
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.
Joined: Nov 23 2009 Posts: 12791 Location: The Hamptons of East Yorkshire
Sal Paradise wrote:Yes of course - but perhaps with a different skill set of thought processes in the CIA then the perpetrators would have been caught before they actually on the planes?
I appreciate that kind of thinking is beyond a plum like you?
Not like you to be all about if's and but's Sal. We know deep down you think Johnson is a bit of a chancer, just let it out.
Joined: Feb 27 2002 Posts: 18066 Location: On the road
WIZEB wrote:Not like you to be all about if's and but's Sal. We know deep down you think Johnson is a bit of a chancer, just let it out.
I don't think its and if I think its a known fact the like of diversity in the CIA was a major contributory factor to the success of 9/11
I am under no illusion as to Boris' faults - as we all to Corbyn's - for all his faults we are damn site better of with Boris in charge than grandpa - come you let it out we know deep down what you really think.
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