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IR80 wrote:and thank our good judgement we backed the right horse, I can only imagine what Corbyn would be doing, in fact it doesn't even bare thinking about.
Nobody who is calling out the Conservatives is saying what they could, [i]should[i] orwhat Labour [u]would] be doing differently.
The Government, in partnership with the private sector and the amazing British public are making a very good job of things in incredibly testing, difficultand unpredictable circumstances. Meanwhile The Unions are moaning about Furlough and 80% pay when people in the private sector are thankful they are even getting that.
Have Unison, Unite, TWC et al suspended membership fees?
(not comments directed specifically at you Mild Rover, you seem incredibly capable of discussing things without lowering things to bren2k's petty level.
I think Corbyn would be doing much the same as Johnson is. I agree it isn’t a traditional political issue but the there are going to be political consequences, and Johnson will likely get more credit or blame than he deserves based on events that are largely beyond his control. Life, and political life in particular, isn’t fair.
If efforts beyond slogans and the end of this crisis are made to foster a sense of community and societal responsibility (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -isolation), then Johnson could pleasantly surprise me, and I’d welcome that, of course. This is so big that it is not inconceivable it could change him. I don’t trust him and would remain skeptical until the evidence was overwhelming, but you never can tell.
IR80 wrote:and thank our good judgement we backed the right horse, I can only imagine what Corbyn would be doing, in fact it doesn't even bare thinking about.
Nobody who is calling out the Conservatives is saying what they could, [i]should[i] orwhat Labour [u]would] be doing differently.
The Government, in partnership with the private sector and the amazing British public are making a very good job of things in incredibly testing, difficultand unpredictable circumstances. Meanwhile The Unions are moaning about Furlough and 80% pay when people in the private sector are thankful they are even getting that.
Have Unison, Unite, TWC et al suspended membership fees?
(not comments directed specifically at you Mild Rover, you seem incredibly capable of discussing things without lowering things to bren2k's petty level.
I think Corbyn would be doing much the same as Johnson is. I agree it isn’t a traditional political issue but the there are going to be political consequences, and Johnson will likely get more credit or blame than he deserves based on events that are largely beyond his control. Life, and political life in particular, isn’t fair.
If efforts beyond slogans and the end of this crisis are made to foster a sense of community and societal responsibility (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -isolation), then Johnson could pleasantly surprise me, and I’d welcome that, of course. This is so big that it is not inconceivable it could change him. I don’t trust him and would remain skeptical until the evidence was overwhelming, but you never can tell.
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Mild Rover wrote:I think Corbyn would be doing much the same as Johnson is. I agree it isn’t a traditional political issue but the there are going to be political consequences, and Johnson will likely get more credit or blame than he deserves based on events that are largely beyond his control. Life, and political life in particular, isn’t fair.
If efforts beyond slogans and the end of this crisis are made to foster a sense of community and societal responsibility (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -isolation), then Johnson could pleasantly surprise me, and I’d welcome that, of course. This is so big that it is not inconceivable it could change him. I don’t trust him and would remain skeptical until the evidence was overwhelming, but you never can tell.
There may be hope. Currently, we have the largest "state" that we've ever had during peace time and in general terms, the poorer people are being "looked after". I know that it's pure conjecture but, you do wonder what the Tory press would have said, if a Labour government had taken the self same steps.
They are tolerating it, because it's Boris (and the Conservative Party) but they would have been frenzied in their attack on any Labour politician either advocating or indeed taking the same steps.
Mild Rover wrote:I think Corbyn would be doing much the same as Johnson is. I agree it isn’t a traditional political issue but the there are going to be political consequences, and Johnson will likely get more credit or blame than he deserves based on events that are largely beyond his control. Life, and political life in particular, isn’t fair.
If efforts beyond slogans and the end of this crisis are made to foster a sense of community and societal responsibility (https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... -isolation), then Johnson could pleasantly surprise me, and I’d welcome that, of course. This is so big that it is not inconceivable it could change him. I don’t trust him and would remain skeptical until the evidence was overwhelming, but you never can tell.
There may be hope. Currently, we have the largest "state" that we've ever had during peace time and in general terms, the poorer people are being "looked after". I know that it's pure conjecture but, you do wonder what the Tory press would have said, if a Labour government had taken the self same steps.
They are tolerating it, because it's Boris (and the Conservative Party) but they would have been frenzied in their attack on any Labour politician either advocating or indeed taking the same steps.
bren2k wrote:It would seem that for all the talk of not politicising this situation, what people really mean is don't politicise it against the party that I currently like; because this lickspittle attitude towards a Tory party - the same one that's been in power for 10 years - is not the way a democracy works. We do actually get to hold to account the Governing party, and it's not treasonous to criticise their handling of this crisis, which has in some aspects been completely woeful - first and foremost their handing it off to an NHS that they've been systematically dismantling for 10 years.
When the banking system melted down in 2008, the Tories and the right wing press did not waste a moment in 'politicising' the situation.
They immediately attacked Gordon Brown's government for 'bailing out the bankers', for the size of emergency funding they were pumping in to the economy and for failing to effectively regulate the banking system over their 11 years in office.
The point about failing to regulate the banking system was legitimate, apart from the fact the Conservatives had been arguing for less regulation during their time in Opposition...until it became opportunistic to use it as a stick to attack Labour with.
Osborne also then started saying Labour had "spent too much" on public services and "bankrupt the country"....despite the fact that only months earlier he had pledged at the Tory party conference to match Labour's spending plans... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... vatives.uk
So lets be honest, Tories complaining about something being "politicised" is just about them not wanting to be held accountable. They are the arch masters of politicising any situation, if they think that it can be used to their advantage.
bren2k wrote:It would seem that for all the talk of not politicising this situation, what people really mean is don't politicise it against the party that I currently like; because this lickspittle attitude towards a Tory party - the same one that's been in power for 10 years - is not the way a democracy works. We do actually get to hold to account the Governing party, and it's not treasonous to criticise their handling of this crisis, which has in some aspects been completely woeful - first and foremost their handing it off to an NHS that they've been systematically dismantling for 10 years.
When the banking system melted down in 2008, the Tories and the right wing press did not waste a moment in 'politicising' the situation.
They immediately attacked Gordon Brown's government for 'bailing out the bankers', for the size of emergency funding they were pumping in to the economy and for failing to effectively regulate the banking system over their 11 years in office.
The point about failing to regulate the banking system was legitimate, apart from the fact the Conservatives had been arguing for less regulation during their time in Opposition...until it became opportunistic to use it as a stick to attack Labour with.
Osborne also then started saying Labour had "spent too much" on public services and "bankrupt the country"....despite the fact that only months earlier he had pledged at the Tory party conference to match Labour's spending plans... https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... vatives.uk
So lets be honest, Tories complaining about something being "politicised" is just about them not wanting to be held accountable. They are the arch masters of politicising any situation, if they think that it can be used to their advantage.
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sally cinnamon wrote:So lets be honest, Tories complaining about something being "politicised" is just about them not wanting to be held accountable. They are the arch masters of politicising any situation, if they think that it can be used to their advantage.
Spot on. And all these Tory apologists saying "don't politicise this" would be tripping over themselves to stick the knife in if Corbyn was the current PM.
"Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him."
As it turns out labour definately dodged a bullet with the election result, unfortunately the people did not. The tories own outfight this debacle 100% from cradle to grave.
Over their austerity years they have systematically risked down such an event to enable them to take it off the table and allow the funds released to be trousered by their crony capitalist and stock market pals.
And even lyin boris has finally faced up to thatchers no such thing as society debacle , indicating she was no more than a simple opportunistic liar.
And let’s not forget how these Tory voting self employed and ltd companies operate with their 150k going into an overseas bank account, and 50k of that coming back into their uk bank account, for the accts to produce accts and dodge tax on
And how these guys have worked in the same office for the same company for 10 years, basically employees, but are allowed by the scummy tories to dodge income tax and national insurance by drawing dividends.
Oh and let’s not forget the £20k of mileage expenses a year for bogus journeys that don’t happen.
Superblue wrote:And let’s not forget how these Tory voting self employed and ltd companies operate with their 150k going into an overseas bank account, and 50k of that coming back into their uk bank account, for the accts to produce accts and dodge tax on
And how these guys have worked i legally n the same office for the same company for 10 years, basically employees, but are allowed by the scummy tories to dodge income tax and national insurance by drawing dividends. which Labour did nothing to change
Oh and let’s not forget the £20k of mileage expenses a year for bogus journeys that don’t happen.of which you have proof, of course
Fill yer boots
I do laugh at your posts, the politics of envy in every keystroke.
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