None of the above and I've never suggested otherwise. You're an intelligent and knowledgeable bloke and I generally enjoy discussing things with you even when we disagree. However you keep putting Straw man arguments forward and that makes it difficult to discuss the actual points under discussion.

To clarify my stance. I think Hastings is a good player and from what I've seen a good person. I am happy with his performances for Wigan and am glad he's signed for us. I've said so on these very boards numerous times.

My problem was with his attitude in this one game and this one game only. You might accept his reasons for having said attitude and that's fine. We're all entitled to our opinion. I don't. I think the level of 'respect' he showed for his former club was too much and, in the end, affected his performance and had a negative effect on the team. Look at all the press leading into this game. Was there any need, for example, to come forward and announce to the world that he wouldn't be celebrating if he scored? Do you think that was a positive going into this game?

I'll refer you to your own comments on the attitude of Tony Clubb in games and the net effect that has on the team. Whilst I would agree that Clubb is on a different level to what we're discussing here the underlying principal is the same and any negative should not be acceptable, particularly when it is self inflicted. Hastings had the wrong approach to this game. If you're ok with that then, as I said earlier, that's fine. You're perfectly entitled to hold that viewpoint. However, I'm not of the same opinion.

Mate, I don't wish to be condescending here but do you understand a Straw man argument? Forgive me if you do but it's essentially putting words into someone's mouth then arguing against it, even though they never said the thing you're arguing against. I have never done that with you so, no, we can't all claim that.

You on the other hand have suggested I'm using Hastings' attitude in this game as some benchmark for an underlying problem at Wigan. I've never said that. You're saying I blame Hastings for the loss. I've never said that. You're now asking do I think he should play for us as if I've brought this up as an option. I haven't. Questioning someone on an individual attitude to an individual game does not mean, or even remotely suggest, any of the above.

We should hammer Catalans on Sunday based on this logic

I think Hastings is a breath of fresh air for the game, a player who just says it as it is.

Salford literally saved his life, Ian Watson in particular played a big part in that.

Hastings showed respect by not celebrating the try imo and although the fact that we got it wrong performance wise I dint think you can put that down to one player.

Hastings has been very good for Wigan so far and I’ve seen little to question his attitude or commitment to the cause.

I only asked should hastings go because if is attitude stinks and is a disgrace as you out it then what do we do, surely that unacceptable attitude will rise to the surface in other ways?

On the strawman
Well to be fair you have already told me that I have no other arguments (so who's putting words in whos mouth?)
You told me I was ok with us parking the bus (putting words in my mouth again)
In a nother post you've already told me that you cant believe something would be true or I could think that when it was you who came up with the statement not me (thanks again for telling me what I was thinking).

Your words

"I'm not usually one for bagging individual players and I like Hastings. However last night's attitude was a disgrace and no way to go into a top flight sporting contest. His attitude set the tone. Salford wanted it more and it showed."

And yet you then say later when challenged that you didnt say Hastings attitude was the only factor

You said his attitude set the tone
His attitude was a disgrace
Salford wanted it more, more than who? JUST HASTINGS?

So why no post on the other co tributing factors?
Smith's tackling
Lams coaching/substitutions/tactical decisions?
Poor.kicking game.and general bad end to sets which 5/6 players need to accept responsibility for

I'll say my final words on the subject

Whether Hastings celebrated in the way you did or didnt want him to.
Whether hastings talking about his former club and showing respect, too much respect
Etc
Then IMO made NO difference to the 80mins of the game.

"If" French gets the ball and we go 20 -8 up we win and No such thread about Hastings exists

"If" Smith makes that simple one on one tackle the same

"If" hankinson kicks that goal at 14- 2 then maybe even the same.

If Powell passes the ball, or IMO shouldnt have had his hands in the ball in that situation. Then the same
"If" whilst already one natural forward short due to Isa playing centre we dont bring another forward off and put another pivot on and we hand the forward momentum to Salford (who made.somthing like 500mtrs.more than us 2nd half) then the same.

And I'm not having that hastings saying nice words about Salford (just like Lam would have said or anyone else if asked about salford) had any effect on Wigans performance or the performance of other players.
If it did then youd need to ask the other players and coaches why they were so unprofessional as to let them effect it or not kick him up the backside if he wasnt doing or performing in the way he should.

I agree attitude/desire etc play big parts in success, whilst maybe not ideal it can be difficult to play against former clubs etc.
But to use that as the foundation for ay blame.for a single result, whilst ignoring dozens of other factors which IMO are more deep rooted st the club is unfair.

Our success or.lsck of this year will be dictated far.more bu those dozen other issues than whether Hastings still has a soft spot for Salford

This one is pure comedy.

Deary me. There's always one embarrassing fan for every club.

Hastings will always love Salford. They saved his career, and in particular Watson and Blease. He lives with his best mate in Salford, who still plays for Salford. Blease is a neighbour, and he has his tea around at Blease's once a week. Hastings own family are very close with people at Salford. He got us to a GF and won Man of steel off the back of all this.

He's a professional though. He's a winner. He'll always give his all for the team he plays for. The OP here is making themselves look like a jealous teenager who's obsessed with their current partners ex.

Hastings will bleed for Wigan, but it doesn't mean he'll turn his back on extended family.

Agree

Other than the embarrassing fan comment; I completely agree.

Agreed