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PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:44 am 
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Watson game plan was to keep Hastings and French out of the game and it worked, shroud coaching.

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 Post subject: Re: Adrian Lam
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 11:48 am 
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Rogues Gallery wrote:I can see your point but I would rather have kept Sarginson than Bibby AND Hankinson.

I’d be ok with Sarginson as cover for centre and FB but for me he is too limited as a first choice centre
Hankinson has a decent boot but offers very little else.
Bibby seems underpowered for a centre and so far a bit disappointing

A pity that Worthington didn’t kick on

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 Post subject: Re: Adrian Lam
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:06 pm 
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Cruncher wrote:I

Gildart will presumably return at some point (though how long we'll then have him for before he scoots off for his much anticipated adventure in Australia is anyone's guess, and whether he even bothers trying is also a question),


And so it begins...

Good player decides that he wants to try his hand in the best league in the world and the Wigan fans then start to turn on him.

Gildart has been excellent for us and IF he decides to move on then it will be a well deserved shot at the top. Also notice the IF - nothing has been said or decided and I for one won't be bagging him either way.

He might as well just leave now tho as whatever he does from now on won't be good enough.






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 Post subject: Re: Adrian Lam
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 12:17 pm 
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sergeant pepper wrote:And so it begins...

Good player decides that he wants to try his hand in the best league in the world and the Wigan fans then start to turn on him.

Gildart has been excellent for us and IF he decides to move on then it will be a well deserved shot at the.

He might as well just leave now tho as whatever he does from now on won't be good enough.


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 Post subject: Re: Adrian Lam
PostPosted: Sat Mar 14, 2020 2:52 pm 
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Yes, agree about Gildart, he always gives 100% and I'm looking forward to getting him back. If we still have a comp by then, which looks doubtful.

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 Post subject: Re: Adrian Lam
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:00 am 
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dany1979 wrote:Lam played a forwards game and it back fired and not for the first time, we didn’t use our backs correctly, I had almost forgotten Manfredi was playing.

Last night it had everything to do with tactics and the signs have been evident throughout last season and this.

How Burgess keeps getting selected is beyond me.


You can have the best tactics in the world but if you have not got the right balance in the squad as a result of the club not getting better players from outside to complement the best young players from the Academy, you end up in situation like Leeds have been in in recent seasons but appears to now have been corrected with better signings.

A few weeks ago, I questioned the signings of Bibby and especially forwards like Burgess and Clarke, but was shouted down by others when I said they were poor signings and not up to Wigan Standard.

Add to them, Navarrete, Nuuaussala, Pettybourne,Tautai in the last few seasons and you have got to questioned who makes the decisions on who we sign from outside, especially when the players I have mentioned have been signed under two different Head Coaches.

The only time that a Coach seemed to have his own way on signings was when Maguire was the Coach and the reason for that may have been a condition of his contract to come to Wigan. From the time he left and with the odd exception or so, the quality of players signed from outside the club, especially forwards has gone downhill.

Unless Wigan sign some better and more top class forwards, especially from down under, the club will continue to have inconsistent performances and poor results like Friday.

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 Post subject: Re: Adrian Lam
PostPosted: Sun Mar 15, 2020 9:19 am 
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100% Warrior wrote:I’m firmly in the club that says Lam isn’t the man to take us forward. We scrapped to wins v 12 man Warrington, Toronto, Hull KR and FC. They weren’t pretty. We’ve a raft of excellent players in this team and yet we see week in week out a failure to capitalise on that. Honestly I’m struggling to remember games where we’ve played excellently under Lam and I’m sick to the back teeth of hearing “we will learn lessons” or the classic “we trained well”.

As others have pointed out from minute 11 we struggled, though up until the 2nd half the scoreboard didn’t reflect it and he made no tactical changes or decisions that would trigger a response. Instead he subbed G Burgess for Tommy, kept Smith on the bench until the 50th minute (IIRC) and was happy to watch us disintegrate into that mess.

For me he can go, it all feels very Brian Noble to me, in the sense that we’re picking up wins but should be better and when we lose we collapse completely. But I do sign up to the notion that it’s far too early to be calling for his head and a wild over reaction to what is only our second loss.


Lam may go, but will it be any different for any new Head Coach at Wigan when we do not have the right balance of experience and youth in the present squad.

Especially, when they inherit what is already at the club and may not have any say on who the club sign?

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 Post subject: Re: Adrian Lam
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Ruddy Duck wrote:Lam may go, but will it be any different for any new Head Coach at Wigan when we do not have the right balance of experience and youth in the present squad.

Especially, when they inherit what is already at the club and may not have any say on who the club sign?


You do raise a good point Ruddy. IIRC Wane didn’t want Hardaker and a few weeks later Wane was resigning at seasons end, perhaps reading too much into that but it certainly fits into your theories.

At the minute, though I don’t have any complaints about any of our youngsters, I think we risk being too youthful in the pack and that’s showing in games where we’re being beaten by more experienced packs. In the long run it might just benefit us but equally it could go the other way.

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 Post subject: Re: Adrian Lam
PostPosted: Wed Mar 18, 2020 1:41 am 
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Can't say I was arguing with Wane over a lack of enthusiasm for Hardaker, but fortunately he has been very good so far and a credit to the team. We certainly haven't been served well in recent years by forwards especially from the NRL, though.

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