Our one out attack is not lams fault as it wasnt wanes. John Winder is our attack coach and our attack is dreadful compared to lots of teams in the league.

I’m firmly in the club that says Lam isn’t the man to take us forward. We scrapped to wins v 12 man Warrington, Toronto, Hull KR and FC. They weren’t pretty. We’ve a raft of excellent players in this team and yet we see week in week out a failure to capitalise on that. Honestly I’m struggling to remember games where we’ve played excellently under Lam and I’m sick to the back teeth of hearing “we will learn lessons” or the classic “we trained well”.

As others have pointed out from minute 11 we struggled, though up until the 2nd half the scoreboard didn’t reflect it and he made no tactical changes or decisions that would trigger a response. Instead he subbed G Burgess for Tommy, kept Smith on the bench until the 50th minute (IIRC) and was happy to watch us disintegrate into that mess.

For me he can go, it all feels very Brian Noble to me, in the sense that we’re picking up wins but should be better and when we lose we collapse completely. But I do sign up to the notion that it’s far too early to be calling for his head and a wild over reaction to what is only our second loss.

Nothing to do with being out coached, more to do attitude, lack of concentration and making stupid mistakes like that of French not getting to a ball and giving Salford a gift try and others falling off tackles which also led to tries.

How can anyone blame any Coach for that?

p.s. The bargain basement also includes Dan Sarginson who you were always calling when he was at Wigan.

Agree,
I can't blame the coach for a missed penalty from 20 metres out close to the posts or Harry Harry Smiths awful attempt on Evalds. Then there was the poor Powell kick which led to Salfords equalising try and Frenchs reluctance to drop on the ball when it was on the ground.
Who missed the tackle on Williams break which led to their match winning try?
Finally well done to Dan Sarginson, rubbished by many on here who gave a very similar performance to most in his time at Wigan. Funny init?

The loss of Bibby hurt us more that it should have and maybe the coach should have handled that better?

edit, just watched it again.
Really poor by Burgess, Byrne and Havard.

If you brought Sarginson back who would you drop to accommodate him? Gildart? Hardaker?
Or would you move Hardaker to FB and drop French?

A good athlete but never a quality centre.
Great work rate but offers very little elsewhere.

I suspect he was offloaded to accommodate French which if that was the case then it was a shrewd piece of business

Oh come on Ruddy if we were bottom of the league making those mistakes it’d be the coaches fault. How’s it any different because we’re towards the top? If anything that makes it more inexcusable. Lam is ultimately at fault for our errors. Attitude is down to the coach, if it’s not right; out they go no matter who they are. The coach is supposed to drive forward standards and from where I can see, and many others, he’s lacking woefully in that area. It’s the same old talk from him, both after a scrappy win and a disgraceful loss. There doesn’t tend to be anything in between other than the odd excellent game (Huddersfield away for example). It’s always “we’ll learn”, “we’re getting better”, “we trained well” or “we had a poor attitude”. How many times is he going to roll out those excuses and be let off the hook? When are we actually going to improve to a standard where we’re producing week in week out consistently?

I suspect never. Lam isn’t a good enough as a Head Coach. He may make a brilliant assistant but a head coach he is not. The sooner IL realised that the better. He should be sounding out a new Head Coach in 2021 now IMO.

I can see your point but I would rather have kept Sarginson than Bibby AND Hankinson.

Lam played a forwards game and it back fired and not for the first time, we didn’t use our backs correctly, I had almost forgotten Manfredi was playing.

Last night it had everything to do with tactics and the signs have been evident throughout last season and this.

How Burgess keeps getting selected is beyond me.

It's haunted us since Madge left & funnily enough it was him and his methods who instilled it in us.

A coach doesn't miss tackles, but he definitely sets the standards & deals with it when those standards aren't met.

I think last night showed how paper-thin our cover at centre actually is.

Gildart will presumably return at some point (though how long we'll then have him for before he scoots off for his much anticipated adventure in Australia is anyone's guess, and whether he even bothers trying is also a question), but then Hardaker tweaks a hamstring or whatever, and suddenly we're down to two men who offer absolutely nothing.

Let's be honest, while Bibby and Hankinson may work hard, there is no attack threat from either of them. They are less than average in that department, and having them on the field both at the same time is a recipe for disaster.