FORUMS FORUMS






RLFANS.COM
Celebrating
25 years service to
the Rugby League
Community!

  

Home Halifax Panthers Leigh away



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 115 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12  Next
Author Message
 Post subject: Re: Leigh away
PostPosted: Mon Mar 09, 2020 11:37 pm 
Club Coach
International Star
User avatar

Joined: Mar 22 2005
Posts: 8679
Location: Sefton Street, Leigh
[quote="SingaporeFax"]Under Grix, there are no two performances the same. Although I wasn't there, today was clearly abject. Words fail how shameful that second half must have been, to concede 10 points off penalities to 12 men doesn't make logical sense. Discipline is diabolical. As I have said before, the plight of our discipline is either lack of fitness, lack of coach oversight to understand where the issues are or a combination of both.

I know the game 'boiled over' at times, Leigh (we) were no angels, BUT some of the penalties awarded to us and yourselves were for really petty things. Apparently the Ref has recently arrived from officiating in the lower leagues in Australia, but for 'technical offences' that are marginal. just let the game flow....FFS !






"I know you've had a bad day, but there's no need to take it out on me"

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Leigh away
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:51 am 
Club Captain
Junior Player

Joined: Feb 28 2019
Posts: 156
faxcar wrote:Everyone understands where the issue is especially SG, which is the same players turning out exactly the same poor performance each week.
It's them giving the penalties away, getting run over down the middle when defending and hardly being able to break a tackle going forward not SG.
They've been told, he's told them, they know it and either can't change or won't change.
In this scenario the coach would normally force the changes so why hasn't he.
SG gave the answer and said.
"It's not like we can go to the supermarket and buy what we want."
That was the case in preseason recruitment and is the case now, when players are performing they play when they're not they get dropped, so again what options has he to leave some sitting in the stands?
Who have we got currently in the squad to replace them with?
No one.
Who can we afford to bring in who's available and any better?
No one.
Who was available on DR?
No one.
Unlike us who can basically say what we want SG has to restrain himself in being critical of his players when commenting in interviews and in public.
Unlike us he's living it, breathing it, thinking about it every day whilst still trying to fix it with his hands tied behind his back to some extent.

RM did a great job in what he achieved but he would have done an even better job with more funding because he would have brought in better players.
Every team in this division who have made progress in the past and are at the top now have had the most money to spend and the better DR arrangement both equating to more better quality players to choose from.
Funding isn't the be all and end all but for Fax in the current situation it just means we are less likely to be able to make the necessary changes.


Pull the other one lad. That team is more than good enough to be competing with Leigh, Fev, London, Toulouse

Grix : 300+
Murrell : 100 +
Lee : 250 +
Larroyer : 100 +
Kavanagh : 150 +
Hirst : 50 +
Broughton : 100 +

+ A majority of other players have played at the top level of the championship for many seasons and Super 8s . I have no doubt that other teams have healthier playing budgets than us and who wouldn't rather play their rugby in Toulouse! But the present gulf for me is too sizeable for the squad we have.

Irrelevant of DR. He might turn it around but little evidence to suggest its going to happen. The discipline and being rolled down the middle is everything to do with prep and mitigation. If he can't galvanise them to tackle it on the field then there is a fundamental issue in how they are preparing both as a team and for the opposition.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Leigh away
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 7:49 am 
International Star
Club Captain

Joined: Oct 26 2010
Posts: 4575
SingaporeFax wrote:Pull the other one lad. That team is more than good enough to be competing with Leigh, Fev, London, Toulouse

Grix : 300+
Murrell : 100 +
Lee : 250 +
Larroyer : 100 +
Kavanagh : 150 +
Hirst : 50 +
Broughton : 100 +

+ A majority of other players have played at the top level of the championship for many seasons and Super 8s . I have no doubt that other teams have healthier playing budgets than us and who wouldn't rather play their rugby in Toulouse! But the present gulf for me is too sizeable for the squad we have.

Irrelevant of DR. He might turn it around but little evidence to suggest its going to happen. The discipline and being rolled down the middle is everything to do with prep and mitigation. If he can't galvanise them to tackle it on the field then there is a fundamental issue in how they are preparing both as a team and for the opposition.


You blame the coach, I don't based on the fact of seeing that it's the same players giving the penalties, losing the collision in the tackle and making the errors, not the coach.
If any player in the Fax team, especially of those you quoted needs to be galvanized or shown how to tackle or how to play at this stage of their careers then it makes you wonder how they even got this far.
Incidentally of those players you quoted.
Lee and Kavanagh aren't even playing.
Grix and Broughton are backs.
Murrell is a stand off who defends the right edge.
None of whom have any effect on being rolled down the middle and aren't the ones giving the penalties away.
Other than that your analysis makes perfect sense, lad.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Leigh away
PostPosted: Tue Mar 10, 2020 4:41 pm 
Club Coach
First Team Player

Joined: Feb 16 2005
Posts: 2495
Location: Landan
Budgiezilla wrote:I know the game 'boiled over' at times, Leigh (we) were no angels, BUT some of the penalties awarded to us and yourselves were for really petty things. Apparently the Ref has recently arrived from officiating in the lower leagues in Australia, but for 'technical offences' that are marginal. just let the game flow....FFS !


Easy to blame the ref, but I don't think you can argue too much with any of the cards. Yes, other refs might have interpreted things differently, but you can see why they were given.

One the penalties, if I were a Fax fan, the tip tackle, that tackler holding reynolds down as he was getting up and the shoulder charge would really annoy me. They were brainfades, close to their own line and made life easy for Leigh, who were happy to chip away and take the 2s on offer. Whether the ref was petty at times, these were actual penalties and they helped decide the game.

Would've helped if the ref hadn't made up a load of hand signals for his decisions though. Think he started doing the YMCA at one point.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Leigh away
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 2:17 am 
Club Captain
Junior Player

Joined: Feb 28 2019
Posts: 156
faxcar wrote:You blame the coach, I don't based on the fact of seeing that it's the same players giving the penalties, losing the collision in the tackle and making the errors, not the coach.
If any player in the Fax team, especially of those you quoted needs to be galvanized or shown how to tackle or how to play at this stage of their careers then it makes you wonder how they even got this far.
Incidentally of those players you quoted.
Lee and Kavanagh aren't even playing.
Grix and Broughton are backs.
Murrell is a stand off who defends the right edge.
None of whom have any effect on being rolled down the middle and aren't the ones giving the penalties away.
Other than that your analysis makes perfect sense, lad.


You've really misrepresented what I am saying. I am referring to the discipline aspect; if Grix can't galvanise them to collectively take responsibility for the discipline on the field, not the literal tacking itself, although I'm not privy, the wrestling aspect has become a core feature for a lot of defences now. We could just as well be poor in that department as well. You can split hairs if you want but everything on the field for the majority of last year and this year suggests failings at the coaching level. Hoping Tommy Lee might bring a bit of steel down the middle. Fleming and Larroyer need dropping IMO.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Leigh away
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 4:20 am 
Player Coach
First Team Player

Joined: Jul 04 2007
Posts: 1460
Location: Halifax
Fleming has been awful since he started his cake shop business.
Larroyer always on the team sheet every week without fail. Baffling.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Leigh away
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 8:41 am 
Club Captain
Fringe Player

Joined: Nov 20 2017
Posts: 978
LeythIg wrote:Easy to blame the ref, but I don't think you can argue too much with any of the cards. Yes, other refs might have interpreted things differently, but you can see why they were given.

One the penalties, if I were a Fax fan, the tip tackle, that tackler holding reynolds down as he was getting up and the shoulder charge would really annoy me. They were brainfades, close to their own line and made life easy for Leigh, who were happy to chip away and take the 2s on offer. Whether the ref was petty at times, these were actual penalties and they helped decide the game.

Would've helped if the ref hadn't made up a load of hand signals for his decisions though. Think he started doing the YMCA at one point.

Very honest interpretation of exactly how i felt.Team full of clueless clowns coached by an individual who offers no answers and seems totally nonplussed by the whole events.GFB touched on it but having to drop out from a kick off set the whole second half trend and we totally lost all momentum against 11 men............

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Leigh away
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 9:00 am 
Club Captain
Fringe Player

Joined: Aug 19 2015
Posts: 838
Not sure where we go from here. Seems we are stuck with grix as a coach. Also we have no players to come in to replace the the likes of Fleming and laroyer. Hope Dual reg starts paying off sure Huddersfield will have a couple of decent forwards in the reserves to step in and replace the two penalty machines.

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Leigh away
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:26 am 
Player Coach
First Team Player

Joined: Nov 29 2008
Posts: 2392
Location: On the Star Ship Andromeda Hope Lives Again !!
Beaujangles wrote:Very honest interpretation of exactly how i felt.Team full of clueless clowns coached by an individual who offers no answers and seems totally nonplussed by the whole events.GFB touched on it but having to drop out from a kick off set the whole second half trend and we totally lost all momentum against 11 men............


Say what you mean BJ don't sit on the Fence !! Have to say I totally agree we are in a mess

Top
   
 
 Post subject: Re: Leigh away
PostPosted: Wed Mar 11, 2020 10:36 am 
Club Captain
Fringe Player

Joined: Nov 20 2017
Posts: 978
bentleyman wrote:Say what you mean BJ don't sit on the Fence !! Have to say I totally agree we are in a mess

Spoke to you,Fax4life plus a couple others at half time and we were all in 100% agreement about the second half yet the team came out and did the complete opposite.

Top
   
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 115 posts ]  Go to page Previous  1 ... 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12  Next





It is currently Thu Dec 05, 2024 3:24 pm


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: Bubba, Ckt2487, Equinox and 105 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  


It is currently Thu Dec 05, 2024 3:24 pm
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
24m
Shirt reveal coming soon
Wollo-Wollo-
61
40m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Marcus's Bic
4069
60m
Accounts
Bubba
147
Recent
Film game
karetaker
6013
Recent
IMG scores
BarnsleyGull
271
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
chapylad
562
Recent
Refs referring it to video as a try or not
Smiffy27
53
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40864
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63330
Recent
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
Cokey
3
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
59s
Salford placed in special measures
supercat
126
1m
Refs referring it to video as a try or not
Smiffy27
53
2m
Mike Cooper podcast
karetaker
48
2m
Rule Changes
Rugby Raider
5
2m
2025 Kits
Dave K.
32
3m
Out of contract 2025
Abe Froman
69
3m
New Players
BigTime
150
4m
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
RLFANS News
1
5m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63330
5m
2025 Season tickets
Bullseye
29
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
All time academy produced Super league era side
rollin thund
1
TODAY
Wigan warriors 2022 away shirt
Wigg'n
3
TODAY
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
Cokey
3
TODAY
Captains Challenge to be introduced in 2025
Wigg'n
6
TODAY
Rule Changes
Rugby Raider
5
TODAY
Player Contracts
Trojan Horse
4
TODAY
Fans Forum 12 Dec 11th
Dunkirk Spir
3
TODAY
Laurie Daley returns as NSW origin coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
2025 Challenge Cup
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Challenge Cup
BigTime
6
TODAY
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
Sam Luckley likely to miss the beginning of new season
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Frankie Halton sign new deal
ColD
2
TODAY
Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date
HU8HFC
29
TODAY
Trinity shop Sunday opening
phe13
1
TODAY
Tyler Craig
Wanderer
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS
RLFANS Match Centre
Matches on TV
Thu 13th Feb
SL
20:00
Wigan-Leigh
Fri 14th Feb
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Castleford
SL
20:00
Catalans-Hull FC
Sat 15th Feb
SL
15:00
Leeds - Wakefield
SL
17:30
St.Helens-Salford
Sun 16th Feb
SL
15:00
Huddersfield-Warrington
Thu 20th Feb
SL
20:00
Wakefield - Hull KR
Fri 21st Feb
SL
20:00
Warrington-Catalans
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Wigan
Sat 22nd Feb
SL
15:00
Salford-Leeds
SL
20:00
Castleford-St.Helens
Sun 23rd Feb
SL
14:30
Leigh-Huddersfield
Fri 28th Feb
SL
20:00
Huddersfield-Hull FC
SL
20:00
Hull KR-Salford
SL
20:00
Leigh-Catalans
Sat 1st Mar
SL
14:30
Wakefield - St.Helens
SL
21:30
Wigan-Warrington
Sun 2nd Mar
SL
15:00
Leeds-Castleford
Thu 6th Mar
SL
20:00
Hull FC-Leigh
Fri 7th Mar
SL
20:00
Castleford-Salford
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Mens Betfred Super League XXVIII ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wigan 29 768 338 430 48
Hull KR 29 731 344 387 44
Warrington 29 769 351 418 42
Leigh 29 580 442 138 33
Salford 28 556 561 -5 32
St.Helens 28 618 411 207 30
 
Catalans 27 475 427 48 30
Leeds 27 530 488 42 28
Huddersfield 27 468 658 -190 20
Castleford 27 425 735 -310 15
Hull FC 27 328 894 -566 6
LondonB 27 317 916 -599 6
This is an inplay table and live positions can change.
Betfred Championship 2024 ROUND : 1
 PLDFADIFFPTS
Wakefield 27 1032 275 757 52
Toulouse 26 765 388 377 37
Bradford 28 723 420 303 36
York 29 695 501 194 32
Widnes 27 561 502 59 29
Featherstone 27 634 525 109 28
 
Sheffield 26 626 526 100 28
Doncaster 26 498 619 -121 25
Halifax 26 509 650 -141 22
Batley 26 422 591 -169 22
Swinton 28 484 676 -192 20
Barrow 25 442 720 -278 19
Whitehaven 25 437 826 -389 18
Dewsbury 27 348 879 -531 4
Hunslet 1 6 10 -4 0
RLFANS Recent Posts
FORUM
LAST
POST
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
24m
Shirt reveal coming soon
Wollo-Wollo-
61
40m
DoR - New Coach - Investor & Adam - New signings
Marcus's Bic
4069
60m
Accounts
Bubba
147
Recent
Film game
karetaker
6013
Recent
IMG scores
BarnsleyGull
271
Recent
Transfer Talk V5
chapylad
562
Recent
Refs referring it to video as a try or not
Smiffy27
53
Recent
Game - Song Titles
Wanderer
40864
Recent
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63330
Recent
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
Cokey
3
FORUM
LAST
VIEW
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
59s
Salford placed in special measures
supercat
126
1m
Refs referring it to video as a try or not
Smiffy27
53
2m
Mike Cooper podcast
karetaker
48
2m
Rule Changes
Rugby Raider
5
2m
2025 Kits
Dave K.
32
3m
Out of contract 2025
Abe Froman
69
3m
New Players
BigTime
150
4m
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
RLFANS News
1
5m
BORED The Band Name Game
Wanderer
63330
5m
2025 Season tickets
Bullseye
29
FORUM
NEW
TOPICS
TOPIC
POSTER
POSTS
TODAY
All time academy produced Super league era side
rollin thund
1
TODAY
Wigan warriors 2022 away shirt
Wigg'n
3
TODAY
Captains Challenge for Televised Games in 2025
Cokey
3
TODAY
Captains Challenge to be introduced in 2025
Wigg'n
6
TODAY
Rule Changes
Rugby Raider
5
TODAY
Player Contracts
Trojan Horse
4
TODAY
Fans Forum 12 Dec 11th
Dunkirk Spir
3
TODAY
Laurie Daley returns as NSW origin coach
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
2025 Challenge Cup
Wanderer
1
TODAY
Challenge Cup
BigTime
6
TODAY
Friendlies
Deadcowboys1
3
TODAY
Sam Luckley likely to miss the beginning of new season
Huddersfield
1
TODAY
Frankie Halton sign new deal
ColD
2
TODAY
Transfer chatter for 2025 - New Dec 1st tamper date
HU8HFC
29
TODAY
Trinity shop Sunday opening
phe13
1
TODAY
Tyler Craig
Wanderer
1
NEWS ITEMS
VIEWS


Visit the RLFANS.COM SHOP
for more merchandise!












.