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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Hull FC 23rd Feb
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:08 pm 
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I’d be challenging that.

It makes a mockery of the reserve grade.

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Hull FC 23rd Feb
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:15 pm 
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Got it....

Quote:2 - If the offence occurred at Academy or Reserve level a Player may only elect to count a first team Match towards their suspension in the event there is no Academy or Reserve match on the same weekend and providing that he has previously played at least one First team Match (excluding warmup matches).


So the reserve game against Newcastle Thunder next weekend is the one that counts as the 2nd game of the ban, assuming it is played. The reserve game after that is another 2 weeks away.






Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?


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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Hull FC 23rd Feb
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:18 pm 
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ccs wrote:Got it....




Yeah, that’s the bit I found. So basically, if there are no more reserve games then Kelly is effectively banned forever.

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Hull FC 23rd Feb
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:26 pm 
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You'd have thought that being selected in the SL squad prior to a ban would have been more logical than actually having to play a game.
As you say, he may never play again.






Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Hull FC 23rd Feb
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:38 pm 
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The HDM have now explained why Kelly won't play @ wigan.

They've made it all up. (Nothing new there then.) :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... fc-3861044
The HDM have now explained why Kelly won't play @ wigan.

They've made it all up. (Nothing new there then.) :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... fc-3861044






Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Hull FC 23rd Feb
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 2:54 pm 
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ccs wrote:The HDM have now explained why Kelly won't play @ wigan.

They've made it all up. (Nothing new there then.) :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... fc-3861044


Based on the operational rules the HDM are talking nonsense.

If only reserve games count then surely there is a loophole to exploit? He can't play against Newcastle so that means he becomes available for selection against Wigan.
ccs wrote:The HDM have now explained why Kelly won't play @ wigan.

They've made it all up. (Nothing new there then.) :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... fc-3861044


Based on the operational rules the HDM are talking nonsense.

If only reserve games count then surely there is a loophole to exploit? He can't play against Newcastle so that means he becomes available for selection against Wigan.

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Hull FC 23rd Feb
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:05 pm 
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Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:Based on the operational rules the HDM are talking nonsense.

If only reserve games count then surely there is a loophole to exploit? He can't play against Newcastle so that means he becomes available for selection against Wigan.


Good try!!…

Quote:If a Player is suspended from playing in a Match, they shall not play in any other Match in the same Weekend but no more than one Match in any one Weekend shall count towards a Player's suspension.


I guess if wigan hadn't cancelled the reserve game we'd all be assuming (correctly) that the 2 match ban was now complete, and he'd be available to play against...wigan.
We would have been oblivious to the fact that neither SL game counted.






Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Hull FC 23rd Feb
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ccs wrote:Good try!!…

I guess if wigan hadn't cancelled the reserve game we'd all be assuming (correctly) that the 2 match ban was now complete, and he'd be available to play against...wigan.
The fact that neither SL game counted would have been irrelevant.


Don't worry, I've got another loophole.

There is nothing in the wording to indicate whether the player needs to have played a first team game this season. It just says "previously." Bans can be carried over from the previous season, so there is no reason to think everything resets just because it's a new season.

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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Hull FC 23rd Feb
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Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:Don't worry, I've got another loophole.

There is nothing in the wording to indicate whether the player needs to have played a first team game this season. It just says "previously." Bans can be carried over from the previous season, so there is no reason to think everything resets just because it's a new season.

That does sound more plausible.

I haven't found anything which may scupper it (yet).

Mentioning warm-up matches kind of suggests a season by season ruling.

Maybe the cancelled reserve game is the key - the rovers game (which didn't count at the time) had already been played before it was cancelled. Can we retrospectively claim the rovers game because there was no reserve match?






Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?


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 Post subject: Re: Wigan v Hull FC 23rd Feb
PostPosted: Tue Feb 18, 2020 3:24 pm 
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ccs wrote:That does sound more plausible.

I haven't found anything which may scupper it (yet).


I am just interested to know whether the HDM have actually been told about this by someone either from the club or RFL. Or if someone has just stumbled across these rules and made an assumption.

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