I can see both sides - the problem is that we are so polarised - you view is no deal which is an option but very unlikely. I would suggest an interim deal that covers high level basic stuff like security, air travel, existing ex pat citizens rights etc.

Then over the next couple of years a firmed up deal in time for the next GE.

What about trade, free trade arrangement or, tariffs in both directions (which would be a disaster in Ireland)

Hang on, you said a discussion based o what we know not what might happen.

i might have scampi for tea, or I might have prawn cocktail.. shall we discuss might?

You have your opinion, and that is what it is, an opinion, it has no basis in fact.

I think that you need a new threat. This is a Brexit thread, not breadcake

Seriously, do you never try and peer around the corner to see what may happen.
It's as though you are too afraid to express an opinion, apart from "you lost, get over it" and other cheap attempted put downs.

As for as the trade deal goes, there are only two possible outcomes, deal or no deal - why not pick one.
Mind you, you would then be subject to having to explain your thinking.

The rest of the "divorce agreement is way more complicated and there are a number of areas for both sides to find a way forward but, if you like, we can have a go at these as well.

I don't see the point in discussing when you are so entrenched in your opinion. Enjoy debating with yourself, that way you'll only get agreement.

Please tell me what my position is, other than I am not in favour of "no deal".
I hadn't realised that reading minds was one of your unique skills. You do seem devoid of any opinion on anything though.

Your "you lost" quips are the remarks of a child and grown up debate seems either not to interest you or, perhaps it's just beyond your comprehension.

Surely you lost too?

I did, based on my initial opinion, but I accepted the result as soon as it was announced. Since then the actions of European politicians and the Labour party have made me think it wont be such a bad thing afterall.

I suspect it is about to change, as we get into the new relationship negotiations, but i’m not sure EU27 politicians were very active at all to this point on Brexit.

The red lines meant there wasn’t much room for negotiation, beyond the technical and mundane. They were fine with the backstop and then they were fine with the Irish Sea border. Accommodating would be a stretch, but they’ve not been obstructive in the least, IMO. There was that time Tusk had a bit of strop about us not having a plan, but we had fecked them about quite a bit by that point... because we didn’t have a plan.

The plan was to convince the British voting public that there were to many parsnip picking Poles in the arable fields of rural Lincolnshire.
Genius.
The legalities of the extrication process from our European allies was always something to worry about at a later date.