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 Post subject: Re: Huddersfield
PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:42 am 
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WIZEB wrote:Haven't you managed to poach Bellamy for us yet?
I thought you mixed with all the Melbourne shakers and rollers?


Lol I move and shake less as the years go by mate
I’m 51 now - bed by 9.30

However in next 2 months I have a pass out to see

Big Country
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Can’t wait






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 Post subject: Re: Huddersfield
PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:44 am 
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Mrs Barista wrote:I hear you, but it frustrates me (actually that's probably a bit strong) that people slate Radford/the club for poor recruitment and form all pre season, then slate him for disappointing end to the season, but don't give him any credit for getting to the point of being in the mix, despite this poor recruitment - none of the act of getting us to the brink of the playoffs is down to him apparently.
Careful, you know the more sense you post the more abuse you'll get.






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 Post subject: Re: Huddersfield
PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:52 am 
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Tarquin Fuego wrote:We have stumbled to 5th position in about the worse quality of rugby league seen in many a year
In being 5th we were utterly spanked at Magic and many many other
matches
You’re right , LR is responsible

We have had some very good performances too and scored some great tries. The 2 golden point wins were terrific. 6th isn't brilliant but we could be in a dogfight like Leeds, that's real underperformance..

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 Post subject: Re: Huddersfield
PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:53 am 
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ccs wrote:Careful, you know the more sense you post the more abuse you'll get.


May be "sense" to you, but it is sycophantic nonsense to many.

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 Post subject: Re: Huddersfield
PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:59 am 
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Tarquin Fuego wrote:Lol I move and shake less as the years go by mate
I’m 51 now - bed by 9.30

However in next 2 months I have a pass out to see

Big Country
Sisters of Mercy
U2

Can’t wait


You can keep Sisters of Mercy and U2.
BC back in the day before the expiry of Stuart Adamson would have been worthy of a gander.
I had The Crossing blasting out rather loudly last week.

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 Post subject: Re: Huddersfield
PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 9:59 am 
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ccs wrote:Careful, you know the more sense you post the more abuse you'll get.

That's true enough. I'm off out in a bit so expect the list of "attacks/insults" I have made to await me when I get back then I can apologise and we can all move on. :)

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 Post subject: Re: Huddersfield
PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:00 am 
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Mrs Barista wrote:I hear you, but it frustrates me (actually that's probably a bit strong) that people slate Radford/the club for poor recruitment and form all pre season, then slate him for disappointing end to the season, but don't give him any credit for getting to the point of being in the mix, despite this poor recruitment - none of the act of getting us to the brink of the playoffs is down to him apparently.

At no point have I slated Lee Radford, I want him to be held accountable. Try to deal with my post, missed opportunities, that would have us clear in second place in the league and being out coached in a semi. Massive confidence shakers that the coach should have dealt with. I personally rate the team we have. The poor signings were squad players intended for the defunct “A” team, never intended for first team unless we had another horrendous injury list.
I maintain that Ian Watson, would have had a far superior season with this team.

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 Post subject: Re: Huddersfield
PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:33 am 
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Mrs Barista wrote:To try and stop the rather vitriolic exchanges I will try and summarise what's happened so we can all move forward:
1. We lost in very disappointing fashion on Friday
2. Some posters said they felt at their lowest ebb in decades (let's call them Group A)
3. Some other posters felt this was surprising/daft in the context of other events/tenures during this time - including possible extinction. (Group B - but mainly me I guess)
4. Group A then come back with we should be doing much better, we're a big club
5. Group B then say well technically we're not as big as we'd like to think we are (Dean Friedman style) based on objective financial measures and Super League history (where there's a very strong correlation), so maybe there's a disconnect between expectation and realism. Not to say aspirations should be dialed down, just expectations may need to be better managed.
6. Group B gets accused of (I kid you not) attacks, insults, being vomit-inducing, crazy, boring, a fool, garbage, persecuting, self-righteous, insulting, needing banning, needs to get a life...there are a lot more but you get the gist.

Perhaps to sort all this out a list of these attacks and insults I've been made can be set out, so I can address each in turn and apologise as required - genuinely. I really don't think that I've given out anything like the rather nasty personal attacks made to me in 6 above, but if we want to conclude this slightly unsavoury dialogue let's have the specifics. I won't ask for the reciprocation, but I notice one of the main protagonists has already deleted his most extreme/personal post yesterday, so I will take that as a token of regret.

Chris71, I apologise for posting a laughing emoji when you posted that this was your lowest point for 40 years. You are right, I shouldn't assume I know what others are feeling and their own experiences.


Apology accepted and wishing I hadn’t posted anything to be honest.

At the end of the day we are all fans of this great club and as shown by the posts in this thread everyone is frustrated with the performances and that’s the crux of it all. We are not in Salford position financially and whilst not in the same bracket as St’s or Warrington it doesn’t excuse the poor and inconsistent performances. The players actually want for nothing and I think just a little too cosy with some also seemingly too close to Radford.
For me Radford has to distance himself from the players as in he is no longer ‘one of the boys’ he’s the boss. Sometimes it just seems all too pally pally.

We all want the same thing and that’s for the club to be successful and play decent rugby consistently. I don’t mind getting bear but it’s the manner in which we have been tonked and embarrassed by our own performances rather than the excellence of opposition, that’s what sits uneasy for me.

No doubt we will all still turn up as tomorrow another day but AP & LR have to be aware and switched on to the fact that these swings in performances are starting to turn off the fan base which isn’t a recipe for success either.

If you look at it a different way as a product such as a meal that needs a lot on different ingredients to be top quality you still need a capable and quality chef. Without that you can keep changing the ingredients and occasionally you’ll get lucky and turn out a few decent dishes but you’ll have far more poor/average ones and be very inconsistent.
But with a top chef you’ll get the best out of the ingredients you use and make a far better dish and consistently than someone who is an ok cook.






I really enjoy long walks especially when they are taken by people I don't like!

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 Post subject: Re: Huddersfield
PostPosted: Sun Sep 01, 2019 10:59 am 
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Chris71 wrote:Apology accepted and wishing I hadn’t posted anything to be honest.

At the end of the day we are all fans of this great club and as shown by the posts in this thread everyone is frustrated with the performances and that’s the crux of it all. We are not in Salford position financially and whilst not in the same bracket as St’s or Warrington it doesn’t excuse the poor and inconsistent performances. The players actually want for nothing and I think just a little too cosy with some also seemingly too close to Radford.
For me Radford has to distance himself from the players as in he is no longer ‘one of the boys’ he’s the boss. Sometimes it just seems all too pally pally.

We all want the same thing and that’s for the club to be successful and play decent rugby consistently. I don’t mind getting bear but it’s the manner in which we have been tonked and embarrassed by our own performances rather than the excellence of opposition, that’s what sits uneasy for me.

No doubt we will all still turn up as tomorrow another day but AP & LR have to be aware and switched on to the fact that these swings in performances are starting to turn off the fan base which isn’t a recipe for success either.

If you look at it a different way as a product such as a meal that needs a lot on different ingredients to be top quality you still need a capable and quality chef. Without that you can keep changing the ingredients and occasionally you’ll get lucky and turn out a few decent dishes but you’ll have far more poor/average ones and be very inconsistent.
But with a top chef you’ll get the best out of the ingredients you use and make a far better dish and consistently than someone who is an ok cook.


You are Phyllis Nan Sortain "Primrose'' Pechey, and I claim my £5.

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 Post subject: Re: Huddersfield
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Mrs Barista wrote:We have had some very good performances too and scored some great tries. The 2 golden point wins were terrific. 6th isn't brilliant but we could be in a dogfight like Leeds, that's real underperformance..

Surely underperformance is not performing to those high standards you've mentioned on more than a handful of occasions this season? I get your point about the (financial) cream always rising to the top but I just want to see my team performing well consistently. If that means we're still not good enough to win trophies i can take that but i do want to see a team who are as good as they should be on a regular basis and we haven't had that for most of Radford tenure.






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