He's done well to win back to back Challenge Cups, certainly. Salford aren't a peer, no. We are underperforming vs them, but overperforming vs Leeds.

I used “Coffee Woman” because I’d already referred to her as “Mrs B” in the post and didn’t want to use the same name in context. Your defence of MRS. BARISTA is becoming boring and a bit of a tell tale sign. No name calling by me intended.

I'm pretty sure its Leeds underperforming against the rest of sl rather than anything were doing

Very true. It's almost like I'm not permitted to feel OK with where we are, relative to other times at the club and in the context of relative resources at others. That's alright. I'm choosing to have a much better time of it than everyone else.

Jesus H Christ!! Replying to your own post is a bit sublime

Sorry mate but I was in Purple Doors until 6am this morning before departing in a cab,
It made me feel a little more cheery after a disappointing loss.

How are we over performing v Leeds exactly? They’ve been in a relaxation fight all season long and there’s a reason for that because they’ve been worse than us for a few reasons.
So it more a case of Leeds underperforming than us over performing.

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Leeds should be Top 4, but they aren't. We should be 5-8, and we are. We are therefore performing well relative to Leeds.

Hmm. It's not about aspiration - all clubs hope for and aspire to the achievements of the most successful clubs, that's why we are all here and the performances of Salford this year are inspirational. It's about realism in the context of breaking permanently into this group who, yes, have more resources and consequently better/deeper coaching teams/facilities and abilities to attract the very best players, notwithstanding the money to use the marquee rule.

Why so very personal? On one hand you demand respect and empathy for others' views, yet at the same time think it's OK to be inflammatory with "cringe", "vomit-inducing", "attack instigation" and so on. I don't understand why pointing out this context, which is fact-based, and articulated dispassionately, merits such an inflammatory response.

Why should Leeds be top 4? They were a middle 8’s team last season and have had poor recruitment for the past few years and haven’t replaced the major & key figures that helped bring them sustained success.

As we are 5th it’s hardly over performing just par for the course but added in some truly shocking performances with the odd decent one. If you’re happy with under performing with the relative squad we have then that’s your prerogative but spare the preaching with excuses.

The facts are clear it’s not about accountancy it’s about what is happening in the training complex and on the field in the 80mins or should that be isn’t happening!

We have spent up to full cap, have training facilities to rival the top and the players wAnt for nothing other than a coach that by his own admission can not get to the bottom of why these shocking performers happen not solve/rectify them.

We have had two glorious chances (regardless of excuses of over performing and accounting against the top 4) to all but seal 2nd or a play off spot against opposition that without disrespect we are & should be more than capable of beating at home. The clear facts are we failed to take the chances with terrible performances, he’ll even the Wigan game has we turned up for 80 mins would have won, also had Wajey not been so poor we’d have likely come away without 2pts as we weren’t great other than as usual a couple of purple patches.

The team is capable of much more and that is why I have lost patience as it’s not the defeats but the manner of them and the lack of any chance or desire to put some bloody structures in place to sort the issues that have blighted us and continue to do so.

AP stated he wouldn’t accept the huge spikes in good and bad performances and sacked Gentle. Yet we are actually worse now than under Gentle (with a better squad) and the gulf in our best and worse is bigger than ever and we are more inconsistent than ever.