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PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:17 pm 
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HFC Boy wrote:Our pack is our biggest weakness this season.
They can’t get us going forward to lay a platform.


Plus teams roll us down the middle 60 to 80 metres in six tackles

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 Post subject: Re: WIGAN
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:23 pm 
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No agression. Honest question you ever played the game ? Agree on our pack needs sorting and that's being addressed. We have got what weve got. Think we will win 4/5 of our last matches and get 3 rd






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 Post subject: Re: WIGAN
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:23 pm 
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al283 wrote:Shaul not the problem, he does support thru the middle, repeatedly.

BUT he is the only one who does & our pack aren't blessed with offload ability, my hope is next years pack will not only be bigger & stronger but also much more skilful.

His defence was very good last night in all areas. Sadly Faraimo the weak link in defence, both under the high ball & in the frequency we concede walk ins on his wing. Not sure his decision making or those inside him ? but yesterdays try carbon copy of the two Briscoe tries at Leeds. Needs fixing !!!!


Thats why Tuimavave needs moving to left centre (its his best position) to bolster the left edge.
It would also solve Radfords problem with Kelly/Connor.Connor can play Right centre with Kelly at 6.
Griffin should be starting now in the second row and interchanging with Manu and Minichello

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 Post subject: Re: WIGAN
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:28 pm 
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Lang Park wrote:We did have one good passage of play when we built pressure on their line.
We even kicked a grubber in the in-goal and forced a dropout. Unheard of for us recently.
Though we didn't score on those 3 sets Taylor barged over shortly after. No doubt in my mind that the effort expended in the previous spell of FC pressure enabled him to do that.
Hopefully LR looks at the video of that and focuses training on building pressure through repeat sets and not trying to score every set when the opportunity isn't there.


I think he has had enough time as coach to put that play into motion more often.
If fans can see it surely the coach can
When you have three repeat sets in the opposition 20 and dont score that tells the story,not just in this game but season after season

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 Post subject: Re: WIGAN
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:37 pm 
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Got to agree with what others have said. This thing we are doing with Connor currently just isn't working. I also can't understand why when he does come on we are putting him on the left. It makes no sense to me. Connor looks much more threatening linking with Kelly and with the pace of Naulago outside of him. Defences are frightened to death of giving Ratu an inch, and that was creating space for Connor to do his stuff. Carlos just can't create an opening like Connor can. I also feel like Carlos on the left would stiffen up what is probably our weakest area in defence.

Next week I would definately be going with a backline of:

Shaul
Naulago
Connor
Tuimavave
Faraimo

Griffin in the second row. He can always slip into the backs of there is an injury or if we just want a tactical change.

Actually my preferred option would be what we saw around Easter time. Kelly playing full back in attack and Connor playing there in defence, but as long as Shaul is fit I just can't see him being left out.

The pack is what it is. They will hold there own but just aren't good enough to dominate games this year. Our strengths are our pace and power in the back line, along with the skills of Kelly and Connor. We need to make best use of that. We aren't equipped to win too many forward dominated arm wrestles this year.

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 Post subject: Re: WIGAN
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 2:49 pm 
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Mr. Zucchini Head wrote:Got to agree with what others have said. This thing we are doing with Connor currently just isn't working. I also can't understand why when he does come on we are putting him on the left. It makes no sense to me. Connor looks much more threatening linking with Kelly and with the pace of Naulago outside of him. Defences are frightened to death of giving Ratu an inch, and that was creating space for Connor to do his stuff. Carlos just can't create an opening like Connor can. I also feel like Carlos on the left would stiffen up what is probably our weakest area in defence.

Next week I would definately be going with a backline of:

Shaul
Naulago
Connor
Tuimavave
Faraimo

Griffin in the second row. He can always slip into the backs of there is an injury or if we just want a tactical change.

Actually my preferred option would be what we saw around Easter time. Kelly playing full back in attack and Connor playing there in defence, but as long as Shaul is fit I just can't see him being left out.

The pack is what it is. They will hold there own but just aren't good enough to dominate games this year. Our strengths are our pace and power in the back line, along with the skills of Kelly and Connor. We need to make best use of that. We aren't equipped to win too many forward dominated arm wrestles this year.


Agree great post.

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 Post subject: Re: WIGAN
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:35 pm 
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bonaire wrote:and most of them were kids


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 Post subject: Re: WIGAN
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 4:47 pm 
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The weakness of the pack has been highlighted since before pre season. Chuck in the fact that we were missing Paea, Bowden, Manu and Savelio it's hardly a surprise we got rolled at times. We heard a lot about Green being the one player who would have made a difference in the semi and who we should be retaining. Not that convinced he is indispensable personally but interested to see how things pan out. The back row certainly seems to be upweighted next year and we have strong backs. Hope to see props similarly strengthened.

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 Post subject: Re: WIGAN
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:05 pm 
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Hard lines in that game Hull FC. I thought the ref had a stinker and definately favoured Wigan.

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 Post subject: Re: WIGAN
PostPosted: Fri Aug 02, 2019 5:20 pm 
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Mrs Barista wrote:We heard a lot about Green being the one player who would have made a difference in the semi and who we should be retaining. Not that convinced he is indispensable personally but interested to see how things pan out.


Considering green had the opportunity to put himself in the shop window I thought he was pretty disappointing. One thing that I don’t get is fir a lad his size as soon as contact is made he stops moving his legs and concedes to the tackle. We certainly missed Paea which didn’t think I’d say after the way he started the season.

Just think we missed a trick last night and Radford got it wrong as should have had Connor starting centre alongside Ratu and Carlos alongside Faraimo with Griffin starting 2nd row and Lane on the bench.
We certainly miss Manu when he’s not in the side.






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