Hardaker and Greenwood actually.

As for Saints, McManus had a track record of signing the likes of Hohaia, Perry and bad Peuroux until Holbrook came in. All of a sudden the signings look better and bad Peyroux is now good Peyroux and it’s all down to Holbrook.

See where this is going?

I cannot believe that this thread is at 22 pages.This is Wigan Warriors Fans Forum and is being dominated by a topic relating to our biggest rival.I posted my
Views on the 16th June and it seems to me that we are at 22 pages purely because several members continue to indulge a certain Saints fan.Why bother just let it go.
Saints are way ahead of the rest of Super League and have an excellent coach who conducts himself with great dignity and decorum unlike a particular fan.

Aren’t the rest of us allowed an opinion?
I think there have been some good points made in recent pages.
Saints are excellent but they aren’t going to dominate for years to come.

All debate. The way the forum traffic seems to have dwindled over the years, I wouldn’t put anybody off contributing.

I think the debate about Saints is a good one, they’re a good side with a great coach but their fans have a history of getting over giddy when they have a good side and becoming dismissive of other teams. They seem to be forgetting just how frustrated they were with the way their club was heading up until Holbrook came in and to remind them that things change quickly is no bad thing.

Which is why I gave you Amor to cover them AND Bullock who has ended up as our #1 prop but realistically shouldn't even be in the side. He is out for 5 weeks now too.

Interested to hear your comments on how you would do minus the other 9 players I mentioned or shall we just look at your two defeats to London as exhibit A?

The way our season went last year, I wouldn't be comfortable saying we would dominate for months to come

Azul,
Of course you are allowed an opinion which I respect but the topic has been hijacked by a tiresome Saints fan whose only purpose is to try to get under the skin of other contributors to the thread.

We replaced them with Hardaker and Greenwood, but don't let facts get in the way of a good troll hey? Maybe you're that insular in Sintellins that you failed to notice the several seasons Escare and Tomkins played in the same squads.

Just for clarity; what's the difference between 'youth' and 'kids'. Do you think it makes it sound better to say the same thing in a different way? How are our 'kids' any different than your 'youth', other than generally being better (as proven by the multiple titles they've won)?

Give me Wigan's kids over Saints youth any day of the week.

Wigan’s junior development is what will really help us stay there or thereabouts for years to come, unless Lam ignores it and there’s no signs of him doing that. We’ve seen debuts for five lads this year and we’ve got a real gem on our hands in Smithies. We also have numerous others who’ve either debuted or are awaiting their debut who could be pretty special. They’re used to winning, they’re used to beating St Helens on a regular basis and if we’re savvy with recruitment, then once Saints suffer those big departures (and they’re coming, could be within a year, could be 2 or 3 years but they’re coming) we’ll take back over.