Well I've just found the sin bin and checked in on this thread to see what kind of far-right sympathisers may be lurking.

So shocked to see you here Ronald after some of the guff you come out with on the VT

What part of Salford will you and your white supremicist mates be visiting on the 27th? Asking for a friend.

My Mate Ronnie wrote:Consider this. <snip>Recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and repairing damage that Obama did to the USA -Israel relationship. 1. https://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/obamas-final-numbers/ You've had a while to respond to the "outing" of your right wing bull crap and as usual, have vanished..... 2. Israel illegally occupies Arab land that they essentially invaded and annexed. The special relationship with the USA is based 50/50 on a military presence in Arabia and a Fiscal reliance on old money, which is predominantly held by Jewish American Families. Without the special relationship, Trump wouldn't have been elected.....the recognition of the disputed city of Jerusalem was just another ruse to ensure he gets funding for his reelection campaign.

My Mate Ronnie wrote:Consider this. <snip>Recognized Jerusalem as Israel’s capital and repairing damage that Obama did to the USA -Israel relationship. 1. https://www.factcheck.org/2017/09/obamas-final-numbers/ You've had a while to respond to the "outing" of your right wing bull crap and as usual, have vanished..... 2. Israel illegally occupies Arab land that they essentially invaded and annexed. The special relationship with the USA is based 50/50 on a military presence in Arabia and a Fiscal reliance on old money, which is predominantly held by Jewish American Families. Without the special relationship, Trump wouldn't have been elected.....the recognition of the disputed city of Jerusalem was just another ruse to ensure he gets funding for his reelection campaign.

Ronnie won't believe facts from factcheck.org, it'll be a leftie conspiracy site to him. Plus, he's a post-truther by the sound of his posts. If he doesn't think it's true in his world, it's fake news.

Copy & pasting posts from right-wing nutjob sites is hardly impressive.

Indeed, it is like saying one form of extremism is more valid than the other, the truth (to me) is there is a middle ground, which can shift by a few degrees left, or right, dependant on circumstance.

Individuals like Trump, May, Corbyn and Johnson don't give a fig about us, politics, the world over is full of self serving individuals with an agenda. But it has always been the case. The Bible, The K'oran, the list goes on. It'ss all garbage designed to enslave the masses in the confines of their own mind.

And it has worked for centuries.

I don't believe May & Corbyn are self-serving. I disagree with most of what May believes & stands for. But I think she is doing it for what she thinks are the best reasons, accepting there will be sacrifices along the way. Corbyn, who I am not a huge fan of, has a career of dedication to the causes he passionately believes in, often adopting a position that puts him at odds with current thinking & fashion. They are a world away from the likes of Trump & Johnson.
It is strange how I loathed the time of John Major & Ken Clarke, now I think they talk a lot of sense on some subjects.

I broadly agree - in that in most situations, there are the perceptions of the people involved, coloured by their own prejudice, mindset, beliefs etc - and somewhere in the middle, is the 'truth' - which no one wholly owns; except of course in the case of facts - which in this post-fact world, seem to have been relegated to the same standing as opinions, which is sad and a bit scary. We can all have our own opinions, but we can't have our own facts.



I agree with you in respect of religious texts - it's all man made, and as you say, were early attempts to a) explain a mysterious world in the absence of understanding and b) control and subjugate people.

I don't agree that *all* politicians don't give a fig about us - I happen to think that Corbyn (and Bernie Sanders across the pond) flawed as they are, do care about people, and have a lifetime of political activity to evidence that; in some ways, the hysterical smearing of these people by the establishment, is proof positive that they are on to something - changing the nature of society to remove power and influence, often ill-gotten, from the 1% and into the hands of the many. It can't be any worse than the excesses of late stage capitalism, which continues to create more and more wealth inequality, and strangles the planet beyond repair as mega-corps are encouraged and enabled to frantically sell us more and more shizzle that we don't need, in pursuit of shareholder value.

We were at The Arndale Centre. Good turnout , London on Saturday .

Two for one at Build-a-Bear Workshop, was it?

what a cretin trump is,no wonder the world is in a mess with prats like him in charge.beggars belief who voted for the moron.