Joined: Sep 15 2007 Posts: 562 Location: The Darkside!
Mrs Barista wrote:For every Holbrook there's a ragbag of new Messiahs who achieve nothing - Furner, Stone, Cunningham, Sheens, whatever, blah, blah, blah. If the silver bullet coach were such a simple option to solve all ills AP would be all over it.
This is definitely one of the problems with bringing in a new coach. Sometimes better the devil you know. When you're not scrapping to avoid relegation or similar it's a tough decision. I just think the club need taking to the next level now and I'm not sure Radders can do this.
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the (Dark) Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."
Joined: Sep 14 2009 Posts: 1606 Location: on route to old trafford via wembley
Darkside Dave wrote:This is definitely one of the problems with bringing in a new coach. Sometimes better the devil you know. When you're not scrapping to avoid relegation or similar it's a tough decision. I just think the club need taking to the next level now and I'm not sure Radders can do this.
2016, won the cup, a game from winning the league leaders shield and minutes away from the grand final, beaten by the eventual winners
2017, won the cup, 3rd in the table, and minutes from the grand final, beaten by the eventual winners.
2018, going along OK, then hit an injury crises, season over.
2019, In the Cup semi final, 3rd in the table. Still on course for the double.
We're competing at the very highest level we possibly can under Radford.
Joined: Jul 15 2005 Posts: 29802 Location: West Yorkshire
Darkside Dave wrote:This is definitely one of the problems with bringing in a new coach. Sometimes better the devil you know. When you're not scrapping to avoid relegation or similar it's a tough decision. I just think the club need taking to the next level now and I'm not sure Radders can do this.
True. Not loads of coaches in SL who've won more than Radford at their current clubs either. You'd have to have someone with a very good track record to justify the risk. When you've been in and around the top 4 (broadly) for 4 seasons and made the cup semis in 3 of them, and other teams can afford marquee players and bigger backroom staff, there would be a risk of going the other way, arguably.
Joined: Sep 15 2007 Posts: 562 Location: The Darkside!
giddyupoldfella wrote:2016, won the cup, a game from winning the league leaders shield and minutes away from the grand final, beaten by the eventual winners
2017, won the cup, 3rd in the table, and minutes from the grand final, beaten by the eventual winners.
2018, going along OK, then hit an injury crises, season over.
2019, In the Cup semi final, 3rd in the table. Still on course for the double.
We're competing at the very highest level we possibly can under Radford.
As I've previously stated I'm happy to be proven wrong, in fact I'd be delighted but we haven't improved since 2016 & 2017 and our performances are very erratic. If we don't pick up the cup or make the Grand Final things start to look a little different. It's then a little late in the day to start making changes with the pre-season weeks away and a squad in place.
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the (Dark) Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."
Joined: Sep 14 2009 Posts: 1606 Location: on route to old trafford via wembley
Darkside Dave wrote:As I've previously stated I'm happy to be proven wrong, in fact I'd be delighted but we haven't improved since 2016 & 2017 and our performances are very erratic. If we don't pick up the cup or make the Grand Final things start to look a little different. It's then a little late in the day to start making changes with the pre-season weeks away and a squad in place.
Maybe other teams have improved?
There's 11 other clubs that all want to be competing for the trophies too, just be happy that under our current coach's regime, we're doing it on a regular basis. We have no given right to be doing so.
Joined: Mar 14 2003 Posts: 25863 Location: Back in Hull.
Success means pay rises for players, Players like Sneyd, Connor etc will probably be on double what they signed for, this means it's harder to recruit and other teams can offer more etc.
That's why over the last 5 years no team has been consistent, look at Leeds, Warrington and Wigan, all had poor seasons after good ones, this is what happens in a salary capped sport.
Ouf of the last four seasons including this one, we have had one bad season, even then, most was down injuries and even then unlike other teams we avoided them middle 8's.
I think we are going in the right direction with recruitment fifa next season, which should see us improve and challenge again
Joined: Jul 15 2005 Posts: 29802 Location: West Yorkshire
Darkside Dave wrote:As I've previously stated I'm happy to be proven wrong, in fact I'd be delighted but we haven't improved since 2016 & 2017 and our performances are very erratic. If we don't pick up the cup or make the Grand Final things start to look a little different. It's then a little late in the day to start making changes with the pre-season weeks away and a squad in place.
The club isn't as well resourced as the perennial SL winners, who either have benefactors, bigger fanbases, or own their own grounds. If we could have a list of clubs consistently delivering more than we do in the way of trophies/league position who are self-funded in rented stadia that would be a useful template. As a guide you would say we are doing OK working to what we have. The differential we do have in our favour is relatively strong attendances and incremental merchandise sales through cup progress lately. AP has talked about trying to get investment in but it's difficult. The club has relatively fixed budgets unless more income can be raised, so you'd need to divert cash from the playing squad to upweight the coaching side. Whether you'd get a better return, bearing in mind the finances available to the clubs mentioned, is not certain.
Joined: Sep 15 2007 Posts: 562 Location: The Darkside!
I know my wishes are a bit eutopian but as a club and a fan base we are hungry for sucess. Whenever we have won a cup in the past we have failed to kick on. I just hope it doesn't happen again. All of the above are solid views I can't argue with. The inconsistency is the main cause of doubt and we have been tagged by the whole competition as the Jekyll & Hyde club. I just don't want the wheels to fall off. I'm desperate for us to lift the Super League title.
"The path of the righteous man is beset on all sides by the inequities of the selfish and the tyranny of evil men. Blessed is he who, in the name of charity and good will, shepherds the weak through the valley of the darkness. For he is truly his brother's keeper and the finder of lost children And I will strike down upon thee with great vengeance and furious anger those who attempt to poison and destroy my brothers. And you will know I am the (Dark) Lord when I lay my vengeance upon you."
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