Mild Rover wrote:In the case of MPs they are trying to do what they think is best, considering/balancing the democratic imperative to leave against protecting/promoting what they each regard as the country’s best interests. Even the ones I disagree with profoundly are doing what they sincerely regard as best.
The issue is that there was never a single clear vision for it, allowing people to project onto it what they wanted. That was great for Leave but hugely problematic for leaving, because it is still happening and the different visions are really, really difficult to reconcile and everybody thinks their version is the one true or best Brexit. And that’s before we get to the 48% who weren’t impressed in the first place, and the fact we have a hung parliament.
As for the EU... are we still looking to them to take care of our figs and stuff? What does them giving a fig look like in these circumstances? Are you suggesting they should have hastened our departure, despite our request for a delay?
We’re in a strange place where there is no democratic dividend to doing anything, only recriminations from those who’ll feel betrayed. So we’re trapped in this Kafkaesque political purgatory. And it is completely of our own making. We have boxed ourselves in absolutely brilliantly. If it was a ‘what if?’ fiction, it’d feel far fetched, but here we are. Still.
We will end up with a GE, and a borrow and spend Labour government, the next recession they lead us in to.
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MGarbutt1986 wrote:We will end up with a GE, and a borrow and spend Labour government, the next recession they lead us in to.
It will make a pleasant change from greedy capitalists causing a world recession hey nutjob?
“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22 "It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21
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MGarbutt1986 wrote:We will end up with a GE, and a borrow and spend Labour government, the next recession they lead us in to.
In 1996, the year before Labour came to power, the UK had debt of 44.3% of GDP.
Fast forward 10 years to 2006, Labour’s 10th year in power, their so called borrow and spend policies have somehow led to our debt fall to 40.8% of GDP.
Now, thanks to our strong and stable conservative government cutting spending on essential services and cutting taxes for the rich and multinational companies, we have debt of 86.58% of GDP.
The world global financial crisis wasn’t in fact started by labour, but on Wall Street with the collapse of banks in the US. But don’t let facts and statistics get in the way of your agenda.
Sir Kevin Sinfield wrote:In 1996, the year before Labour came to power, the UK had debt of 44.3% of GDP.
Fast forward 10 years to 2006, Labour’s 10th year in power, their so called borrow and spend policies have somehow led to our debt fall to 40.8% of GDP.
Now, thanks to our strong and stable conservative government cutting spending on essential services and cutting taxes for the rich and multinational companies, we have debt of 86.58% of GDP.
The world global financial crisis wasn’t in fact started by labour, but on Wall Street with the collapse of banks in the US. But don’t let facts and statistics get in the way of your agenda.
Mr Brown sold our gold, at the bottom of the market,, brilliant fiscal policy.
We are not going to agree, ever, and I am not interested in arguments.
MGarbutt1986 wrote:Mr Brown sold our gold, at the bottom of the market,, brilliant fiscal policy.
We are not going to agree, ever, and I am not interested in arguments.
Have a safe and happy life.
If you know whether the price of gold is going to rise or fall, I suggest you buy and sell gold and make your millions. Was it a good move, in hindsight probably not, but the current government have done much worse.
I have stated facts and statistics, what are you never going to agree with, are you saying the statistics are wrong?
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MGarbutt1986 wrote: I am not interested in arguments.
So why are you on here? Even in your shallow world you must have something more interesting to fill your time?
“At last, a real, Tory budget,” Daily Mail 24/9/22 "It may be that the honourable gentleman doesn't like mixing with his own side … but we on this side have a more convivial, fraternal spirit." Jacob Rees-Mogg 21/10/21
A member of the Guardian-reading, tofu-eating wokerati.
MGarbutt1986 is just one of those capitalist apologists who you get on every forum and message board the world over. They give it all the big talk, cupping the virtual balls of the billionaires, because they too think that one day it will be them who is cashing the telephone number cheques, and they don't want anyone else having a slice of the pie. The truth is, they don't even end up with the crumbs.
"Back home we got a taxidermy man. He gonna have a heart attack when he see what I brung him."
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