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Listened to David Starkey on the radio .He is an historian and expert on the British parliament . He outlined the fact that the vote from the British people is a mandate or instruction to act out the democratic vote. To ignore that creates a constitutional crisis. Leaving the EU may or may not be a disaster and Teresa May has been a disaster, but the harsh fact remains a majority vote took place and one side won. I have respect for some MPS who are trying to push a bill through parliament to revoke article 50 ,that’s the honest solution. But the majority of the Labour Party will oppose anything in order to bring down the government. It would be ironic if due to intransigence by parliament resulted in us leaving without a deal.

I'm not sure it is the majority. The parliamentary labour party are presently led by its socialist faction at the moment, who I agree, are focused on getting the Conservatives out of office at all costs. But much of the rank and file are centre-left and their priorities are different. I make no comment on the relative merits of the two types.

It's who loony lefties like to blame for everything. Basically it's any media they don't agree with 100%.

They conveniently ignore the experiences of people in their day to day lives playing a huge part in shaping their views.

True, and watching some of the rank and file trot out the party line is often embarrassing. You can see even they don't believe it.

It's also been interesting watching some like that media parasite Lisa Nandy changing her line once she realised her Leave constituents were furious at her for seeking to obstruct Brexit, despite her representing a 64% leave constituency.

I'm not a lefty (although the loony is open to debate), but the vast majority of newspaper sales and associated website hits will be to the Daily Mail and Sun. So it is legitimate to say that anti EU and pro-Brexit rhetoric was far more widely available to the masses than remain. The available reach of the anti-EU message surely can't be denied.

It is uncomfortable I agree, but I give them some credit for having even the pretense of an agreed vision for Brexit (albeit a really rather sketchy and dreadful one). The Tories meanwhile are in open civil war and have no coherent single voice whatsoever.

I broadly agree with you about the best outcome now on the table. This was always going to be a dog to get through, as you say. While I'm not a huge fan of May's deal, it is the least risky and distasteful way forward at this point, imo. In its favour:

1. It isn't absolutely terrible, and is certainly better than no deal
2. It delivers on the democratic mandate for Brexit and couldn't fairly be called a BRINO (yes, there's the backstop, but remove that an the underlying problem remains)
3. We can get this part of the process over and done with now

So while it'd be too much to say I support it, i accept it. Unfortunately, I fear we're going to end with something worse because everybody in power is trapped in one way or another. Maybe, at the last moment our MPs, including May, will realise that and it'll get through, but somebody has to take the first step, make the first minor concession - there are some strong incentives acting against that, and it seems unlikely today. They say 'a week is long time in politics', and while a lot has to change, if one domino falls... you never know.

The whole threat of self-immolation to get the EU to 'blink', I read completely differently. It had little-to-no value initially, the EU haven't blinked (both imo, of course), and at this point what more would we ask for anyway? The only request we're allowed now is for a longer extension, and that'd be to go in a defined direction more palatable to them so would hardly be 'blinking'.

If May's deal is voted down again, our options are no deal on the 12th of April or a request for an extension based on a new position that they approve of. With respect, I think you so expect them to blink that you're seeing things that aren't there. We, the UK, are free to choose, but only from those three options. At this stage, narrower options help us - Thank EU.

Also, I'm a bit tired of the threat of hard right being used to guide us anywhere and force the rest of us to blink. Cuddling up to nutters doesn't seem to be working for May, and I think there's a lesson there. If we have to base our politics from here on, on managing bigoted and fascistic tendencies from the fringes then we're doomed anyway.

And it's right wing nutjobs who pretend it isn't major factor. Well the brighter ones pretend, the average Mail, Express, Sun, Star reader is too thick or myopic to question anything.
Most Brexiteer's views on the EU, forriners & law is based on ignorance not experience. You are perhaps the only exception to that rule on here. The others are just simplistic, one-dimensional nutjobs.
I listened to David Starkey. I watched Turkey's voting for Christmas.

Thank You