Joined: May 30 2009 Posts: 455 Location: Warrington
bren2k wrote:Tempted to quote Stewart Lee here - but I don't want to get banned.
You're not far wrong though - a lot of people voted leave because they were exercised about FoM - fuelled by lies and rhetoric, which convinced them that all the things that were wrong in their lives, were caused by immigration.
As Will Self said the other day in his real-time humiliation of Mark Francois, not everyone who voted leave were racists, but most racists probably voted to leave.
So, would you mind explaining why people who voted to leave because of freedom of movement (not imigration), only did it because they were fuelled by lies and Rhetoric, secondly can you tell me how you know this ??.
Can you also explain why in your opinion most racists voted to leave ??, Ive no doubt some did and used it as we saw the in the unfortunate rise of racist abuse following the referendum. How many times do we see largely peaceful demonstration infiltrated by morons who want to use it as a lever for thuggery, we have seen it in our game by a very small unwelcome minority. My point is imo people will use this type of thing for their own warped opinion, there is nothing to say that it wouldn't have happened if the vote would have gone the other way.
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MGarbutt1986 wrote:I read about him, he's a rampant socialist, which means he has nothing to say of any relevance. All he does is pander to the left wing who support him, no insight, no balance, just an angry little man (with stupid hair for a man of his age).
If he was relevant, I'd have heard of him.
Then I suggest you carry on watching Mrs Brown's Boys.
Stu is without doubt the best British Stand-up comedian in this country, but I presume you err more for the likes of Micheal McIntyre.
Stupid Hair? - Really.
In Springfield, they're eating the dogs, the people that came in. They're eating the cats! They're eating the pets!
POSTL wrote:So, would you mind explaining why people who voted to leave because of freedom of movement (not imigration), only did it because they were fuelled by lies and Rhetoric, secondly can you tell me how you know this ??.
Can you also explain why in your opinion most racists voted to leave ??, Ive no doubt some did and used it as we saw the in the unfortunate rise of racist abuse following the referendum. How many times do we see largely peaceful demonstration infiltrated by morons who want to use it as a lever for thuggery, we have seen it in our game by a very small unwelcome minority. My point is imo people will use this type of thing for their own warped opinion, there is nothing to say that it wouldn't have happened if the vote would have gone the other way.
I didn't say the sole reason was lies and rhetoric - but I'm pretty sure it was a factor; Aaron Banks and his Cambridge IA algorithm powered online campaign have admitted to using targeted FB ads to fuel people's fears and prejudices, not to mention Nigel Farage with his poster showing Syrian refugees and pretending they were European, and various people lying about Turkey's accession to the EU; in a time when so many working class people have terrible life chances and a paucity of opportunity, it doesn't take much to create an enemy upon which they can aim their dissatisfaction and frustration - in this case, EU migrants, who apparently take all our jobs and houses, fill up our schools, claim loads of benefits and overcrowd our hospitals - despite none of that being actually true.
I could explain why I think most racists voted to leave - but I think you went on to do that yourself quite neatly.
POSTL wrote:So, would you mind explaining why people who voted to leave because of freedom of movement (not imigration), only did it because they were fuelled by lies and Rhetoric, secondly can you tell me how you know this ??.
Can you also explain why in your opinion most racists voted to leave ??, Ive no doubt some did and used it as we saw the in the unfortunate rise of racist abuse following the referendum. How many times do we see largely peaceful demonstration infiltrated by morons who want to use it as a lever for thuggery, we have seen it in our game by a very small unwelcome minority. My point is imo people will use this type of thing for their own warped opinion, there is nothing to say that it wouldn't have happened if the vote would have gone the other way.
Would someone who is racist and anti immigration (I know that they are not the same) vote to allow "foreigner's" to keep coming into the UK ? There was a huge anti immigration slant from "vote leave", with the now infamous poster: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-migrants
Although no doubt Mr Farage was "just making a point", the message was quite stark.
POSTL wrote:So, would you mind explaining why people who voted to leave because of freedom of movement (not imigration), only did it because they were fuelled by lies and Rhetoric, secondly can you tell me how you know this ??.
Can you also explain why in your opinion most racists voted to leave ??, Ive no doubt some did and used it as we saw the in the unfortunate rise of racist abuse following the referendum. How many times do we see largely peaceful demonstration infiltrated by morons who want to use it as a lever for thuggery, we have seen it in our game by a very small unwelcome minority. My point is imo people will use this type of thing for their own warped opinion, there is nothing to say that it wouldn't have happened if the vote would have gone the other way.
Would someone who is racist and anti immigration (I know that they are not the same) vote to allow "foreigner's" to keep coming into the UK ? There was a huge anti immigration slant from "vote leave", with the now infamous poster: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... f-migrants
Although no doubt Mr Farage was "just making a point", the message was quite stark.
Joined: May 30 2009 Posts: 455 Location: Warrington
bren2k wrote:I didn't say the sole reason was lies and rhetoric - but I'm pretty sure it was a factor; Aaron Banks and his Cambridge IA algorithm powered online campaign have admitted to using targeted FB ads to fuel people's fears and prejudices, not to mention Nigel Farage with his poster showing Syrian refugees and pretending they were European, and various people lying about Turkey's accession to the EU; in a time when so many working class people have terrible life chances and a paucity of opportunity, it doesn't take much to create an enemy upon which they can aim their dissatisfaction and frustration - in this case, EU migrants, who apparently take all our jobs and houses, fill up our schools, claim loads of benefits and overcrowd our hospitals - despite none of that being actually true.
I could explain why I think most racists voted to leave - but I think you went on to do that yourself quite neatly.
To be fair and If the Aaron Banks part is true which I don't know and without looking myself ive no reason to doubt it, and like you I thought the Farage/Ukip poster very distasteful I take your point. I would have though/hoped the massive majority of people could and should have saw through that. The reason for My question was because one of my reasons for voting to leave was/is Because of FOM (not Immigration)
My point on the second part was that just because those shameful acts took place it doesn't mean they voted to leave may have just used it as a lever. We have heard over the last year or so of both of our main parties being accused of racism and I'm pretty sure not all of them voted leave
If you look for countries where the population is most content you'll find that the Scandinavians are always high on the list. So, you may think why don't we follow their example and copy their systems of government? I can only conclude the reason we don't is because the UKs main income is from finance and i suspect a great deal of that is dodgy money. Also, our MSM is controlled and our society is still class based.
silver2 wrote:If you look for countries where the population is most content you'll find that the Scandinavians are always high on the list. So, you may think why don't we follow their example and copy their systems of government? I can only conclude the reason we don't is because the UKs main income is from finance and i suspect a great deal of that is dodgy money. Also, our MSM is controlled and our society is still class based.
The class based system will always mean a huge gap between the haves and have nots, which is ok if those at the top throw down enough crumbs. Unfortunately, the modern UK is just too lop sided. Uber rich at the top and those literally with nothing at the bottom and the ones with everything, with just a few exceptions, feel that what is theirs should stay in their pockets and tax avoidance schemes ie image rights etc seem to be applauded instead of calling out those involved.
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Yes I had to laugh when Rees-Smug said we have endured 47 years of penal servitude at the same time as his Government reject the proposal for Yorkshire devolution. His party & his type think it is their God-given right to rule over us. This is what Brexiteers voted for. I would rather be governed by European liberals thanks very much.
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