wrencat1873 wrote:Indeed and it's still on going.
Remember Mrs May's mantra "strong & stable", what a load of nonsense.
And yet Labour are still doing their best to make the Tories look strong & stable. Does anyone actually know where Labour stand on Brexit, apart from trotting out promises they can't keep...and then contradicting one another?
"We want a General Election and we can negotiate Brexit" says Corbyn.
And how in the hell are they going to fund all these additional free child places? I assume they haven't actually consulted any nursery owners, who are finding free child places are a disaster.
Call Me God wrote:As an ex-pat who has no real interest in the results of this fiasco (other than the sale of my last property in London before it happens), here's my tenpenneth's worth.
The majority....as in the most people who voted, who voted leave voted that way due to a heavy media bias, latent racism, anti-muslim rhetoric, false claims about revenue to the EU and basically because they were swept along on a jingoistic wave of Rule Britannia.
The Minority...as in the fewer people who voted remain did so because they didn't really want change, didn't believe the lies and were slightly ashamed of some of the rhetoric from the right waving Union flags, but most of all liked their lives and were't going to be fooled in blaming the state of the economy on johnny foreigner.
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The solution? I hear Canada is quite a nice place to live...
Well done on rolling out all the cliches.
I voted out because as even the most ardent Remainer will admit, the EU needs significant reform. Most sensible Remainers will admit freedom of movement is a bonkers idea and the protectionist nature of the Customs Union/Single Market has its faults, and the ultimate goal of the EU is highly questionable.
The key problem is that the EU simply WILL NOT CHANGE.
We're dealing with a leadership group of mostly Germanics who all blindly adhere to the ideology of ever closer union across every facet of our lives, and simply will not admit change is needed. As even the many Germans I work with will admit, a Germanic admitting they might be wrong is as rare as hen's teeth. Cameron did his best, other nations have pleaded for reform - but it won't happen.
Make no mistake - they want a Federal Europe, an EU Army, absolute political and economic union and more and more countries in the cartel. Turkey will join eventually, although that's been put back a decade or two thanks to Erdogan. They don't believe in the nation state or national identity and don't care about the damage done on the road to their goal, or the fact that their blanket economic ideology, freedom of movement and the Euro across such disparate countries was never going to work and has done untold damage to the Mediterranean nations, resulting in mass uncontrolled migration from Southern and Eastern Europe to the UK, France, the Germanic areas and Scandinavia. And people still think this is a good thing.
The EU have predictably played hardball and shown their true colours many times during the Brexit process - partly due to its clunky inflexible structure, but also due to the nature of its leaders. I've always been confident of a deal to the benefit of all parties, but I'll admit I have doubts given the EU's refusal to move on many issues. So be it, if it's a no deal, life goes on. I'd sooner be out.
As I've said all along, either way we'll be in for short-term pain for long-term gain. Our economy will take a hit but as any sensible economist will tell you - economies are flexible and ours will bounce back. We've been through some awful recessions, one of the worst being since 2007, and we bounce back each and every time.