Well that's precisely what I said, I think losing 7 on the trot would obviously mean questions need be asked but where we finish at the end of the season, how off field matters are going, how players and coach plus background team are interacting, who is coming in and so on will have as much influence if not more than the on field results though they are very much symbiotic.
Despite the two recent CC wins (realistic) expectations of our fans and indeed owner are not quite the same of that of Wigan and Leeds IMHO, so for instance if we had been in Leeds situation of having won a treble in 2015, come back to win the GF in '17 after a shocking 2016 and then be where Leeds are now which is still in the 8 and in the CC semifinal I don't think Radford would be getting the chop, not even close.

As above, who would we get, as an aspirational club we don't want a young inexperienced coach again, it's massively risky, Radford was for me one loss against Rovers away (in 2016) from it all going wrong, lose that and I think we don't win anywhere near as many games nor win the CC. Radford would have still got a go at 2017 even IF that had have happened.
So long as we are sniffing around the top 4/finishing around 5-6th Radford is safe for the foreseeable future, no matter what happens from now on he'll still be our coach come end of 2019 unless we get relegated, and by definition that is the extreme thing that could (not definitely) get him sacked, I think AP would give him more leeway than most and not just based on past performances.

With regard to Roy Francis are you considering the years he was captain/coach after previous coach Joe Oliver left in 1950? This would extend his coaching time at Hull to 13 years (1950-1963) becoming full time coach in the mid 50's.

My dad became friends with Roy through work in the 50's and I met him a few times. Dad and I went to Hull matches during the fifties including the 2 consecutive losing Challenge Cup finals against Wigan and Wakefield.

In 1968 when I was living in South Africa my dad wrote from Hull telling me Leeds, coached by Roy, had reached the CC final and had bought a ticket to attend. A week or so before the final I received a telegram saying my dad had died suddenly and returned to Hull for the funeral. After I took dad's ticket and went to the match to see Roy finally win a CC final with Leeds beating Wakefield.

By 1969 I had moved to Australia and met up with Roy again when he came to Sydney to coach North Sydney.

I fully support your view of Francis as a Hull coach. In fact in the time I have been watching rugby league(over 70 years) I would place him in the highest echelon of all rugby league coaches.

FM, yes, my mistake, I had only counted the purely coaching role from 1954, I knew he had been player-coach but totally forgot about that. The fact he got a team to perform as he did that wasn't full of superstars like the Wigan team and indeed sides like Oldham & Featherstone were superb from all accounts proved what a great coach he was even if it wasn't acknowledged (which it was)
It must have been so exciting to watch RL back then especially the big crowds at club matches on a regular basis, touring teams being national news, post war RL certainly was the heydays.

You seem to do a lot of thinking on AP's behalf.
Has he ever rang to give thanks?
Probably scrubbed you off his speed-dial list after you petitioned to inform him he had got things badly, badly wrong, before we proceeded to win back to back Wembley finals.

[quote="WIZEB"]You seem to do a lot of thinking on AP's behalf.
Has he ever rang to give thanks?
Probably scrubbed you off his speed-dial list after you petitioned to inform him he had got things [i]badly, badly[/i] wrong, before we proceeded to win back to back Wembley finals.[/quote]

You can’t live on past glories forever Wembley is in the past you don’t hear us going on about our Wembley win or our record breaking plate victory do you

cough, 10-5 bar?

Are you deliberately trying to break my irony meter or just taking the pish?? You have a bar called the 10-5 bar within your main stand and a clock stopped at 6:42 within another bar to commemorate your win over us in 2007, yet you say you don't live on past glories????

Karen wrote:Are you deliberately trying to break my irony meter or just taking the pish?? You have a bar called the 10-5 bar within your main stand and a clock stopped at 6:42 within another bar to commemorate your win over us in 2007, yet you say you don't live on past glories???? I think he's making a little joke. See also: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/ ... itter-joke The 10-5 suite has been renamed; it is now the 1882 suite to commemorate the club's foundation. Obviously, 1882 is even further in the past, so y'know - just FYI.

Karen wrote:Are you deliberately trying to break my irony meter or just taking the pish?? You have a bar called the 10-5 bar within your main stand and a clock stopped at 6:42 within another bar to commemorate your win over us in 2007, yet you say you don't live on past glories???? I think he's making a little joke. See also: https://www.theguardian.com/music/2017/ ... itter-joke The 10-5 suite has been renamed; it is now the 1882 suite to commemorate the club's foundation. Obviously, 1882 is even further in the past, so y'know - just FYI.

Thank you mild rover yes I was making a joke I didn’t realise I’d have to put a laughing face on the end for them to get it