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 Post subject: Re: Recruitment and retention
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:40 am 
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knockersbumpMKII wrote:Sigh, I've writen this loads of times, if you can't be bothered to read how we as a club are restricting development then I'm not repeating it yet again. I mentioned part of it in the post you responded to in fact!
As I said in the other thread about the Pearson 'plan' and so often, who under Radford's tenure has debuted from within the academy to make a first XVII slot, which of the 16/17 year olds that Wilf and AP identified over 6 years ago have actually come on to make an impact, Brad Fash is the closest we have to an academy player to debut under Radford (i.e. the last 5 years) to get into the 1st XVII?

We have ONE player from the academy in the backs (Shaul), we have TWO players from the academy in our pack as part of the strongest starting XIII, (Houghton/Hadley), our strongest XVII as picked by Radford includes Griffin on the bench along with Paea, Bowden and Green. That's a maximum of five homegrown players in our strongest XVII, none of whom have made a debut in the last 5 years.

If you and others want to continue to ignore the lack of progress in ur youth/youth system and their development that's fine but it's there to see. No homegrown half backs in over 10 years, (Litten was a scrum half initially) no back up hooker with experience because the coach keeps playing someone who is woefully short far too often in that role and refuses to interchange so absolutely knackers our best player every season. We play loose forwards in the centres because there's no trust in the youth and then wonder why the loose man got hammered down that side. we played an over the hill/hadn't played for ages centre who was pitiful instead of playing a youth player.
it's the same old square pegs into round holes because there's no experience and no confidence in the youth until it's too late and they are exposed.
This is why we are stuffed cap wise, we bring in too many players on a bigger wedge and there are not enough in the 1st XVII from the academy. 2016 was poop or bust with an over the cap squad hence why 2017 we had to get shot of a load of players including loaning out Hadley and JA.

That 4/5 year gap where Radford had the youth system all guns blazing has seen a pitiful return and very slow progress.
When was the last home grown, as in from Hull and through the ranks player to get into the England team, Yeaman in 2011?
keep thinking the youth system is doing great and the coach isn't stifling the development.

Okay then, how many of those that we have let go have gone on to make it in super league? Players that look like they're going to be amazing players at 16/18 can fall short of the standards required unfortunately, that's just a fact of life. It has nothing to do with us not developing them, because if it was the Crooks/HTWs of this world would be ripping it up at other SL teams instead of languishing in the lower leagues wouldn't they!






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 Post subject: Re: Recruitment and retention
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 9:54 am 
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knockersbumpMKII wrote:Sigh, I've writen this loads of times, if you can't be bothered to read how we as a club are restricting development then I'm not repeating it yet again. I mentioned part of it in the post you responded to in fact!
As I said in the other thread about the Pearson 'plan' and so often, who under Radford's tenure has debuted from within the academy to make a first XVII slot, which of the 16/17 year olds that Wilf and AP identified over 6 years ago have actually come on to make an impact, Brad Fash is the closest we have to an academy player to debut under Radford (i.e. the last 5 years) to get into the 1st XVII?

We have ONE player from the academy in the backs (Shaul), we have TWO players from the academy in our pack as part of the strongest starting XIII, (Houghton/Hadley), our strongest XVII as picked by Radford includes Griffin on the bench along with Paea, Bowden and Green. That's a maximum of five homegrown players in our strongest XVII, none of whom have made a debut in the last 5 years.

If you and others want to continue to ignore the lack of progress in ur youth/youth system and their development that's fine but it's there to see. No homegrown half backs in over 10 years, (Litten was a scrum half initially) no back up hooker with experience because the coach keeps playing someone who is woefully short far too often in that role and refuses to interchange so absolutely knackers our best player every season. We play loose forwards in the centres because there's no trust in the youth and then wonder why the loose man got hammered down that side. we played an over the hill/hadn't played for ages centre who was pitiful instead of playing a youth player.
it's the same old square pegs into round holes because there's no experience and no confidence in the youth until it's too late and they are exposed.
This is why we are stuffed cap wise, we bring in too many players on a bigger wedge and there are not enough in the 1st XVII from the academy. 2016 was poop or bust with an over the cap squad hence why 2017 we had to get shot of a load of players including loaning out Hadley and JA.

That 4/5 year gap where Radford had the youth system all guns blazing has seen a pitiful return and very slow progress.
When was the last home grown, as in from Hull and through the ranks player to get into the England team, Yeaman in 2011?
keep thinking the youth system is doing great and the coach isn't stifling the development.


When was the last home grown, as in from Hull and through the ranks player to get into the England team,

Josh Hodgson :SHOOT:

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 Post subject: Re: Recruitment and retention
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:08 pm 
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I can't believe we are this short of rumours about new signings.

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 Post subject: Re: Recruitment and retention
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 12:59 pm 
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C for Cuckoo wrote:I can't believe we are this short of rumours about new signings.

Isn't Paul Cooke coming back to fix our "kicking priblem"?

HDM, the worst "news" paper in the world.

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 Post subject: Re: Recruitment and retention
PostPosted: Thu Jun 21, 2018 4:04 pm 
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C for Cuckoo wrote:I can't believe we are this short of rumours about new signings.


Maybe because we are not signing anyone.
Radford happy with the squad.






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 Post subject: Re: Recruitment and retention
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HFC Boy wrote:Maybe because we are not signing anyone.
Radford happy with the squad.


Mistake in my opinion especially if we lose Manu but you could be right

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 Post subject: Re: Recruitment and retention
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bonaire wrote:Mistake in my opinion especially if we lose Manu but you could be right

Manu staying signed jones .

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 Post subject: Re: Recruitment and retention
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…. and Harris, Westerman and Bienek are "kind of" new additions.






Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?

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 Post subject: Re: Recruitment and retention
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Doesn't the cap go up to £2m next year?






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 Post subject: Re: Recruitment and retention
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Jake the Peg wrote:Doesn't the cap go up to £2m next year?

£1.9m in 2018, £2m in 2019 and then £2.1m in 2020.






Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?

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