Mrs Barista wrote:How is that relevant? See below from the website "Everyday feminism". i don't know whether Connor is vegan but he's obviously comfortable with deep conversation, on a minute to minute basis.
Emasculation of the Bitch A man who shows emotion. A man who is empathetic, sympathetic, or comfortable with deep conversation. A man who is pacifist. A male vegetarian. A man who loses a bet or athletic competition. “Bitch” is considered rock bottom identity for traditional masculinity based on the dominance, strength, and virility of cisgender, heterosexual men. Any deviance from these stereotypes of masculinity could incur a bitch status, which insinuates (so very, very harmfully and wrongfully) homosexuality, transsexuality, asexuality, or a gentle and passive personality — to name a few.
This is no coincidence. It is the exact inverse of its use regarding masculine-identified females.
If a woman calls herself a badass bitch, it is understood to be a gender-deviant association to strong femininity; if a man is called a bitch, it is understood as a gender-deviant as weak masculinity. If you combine those two definitions, the message is that the strongest possible female is weaker than or equal to the weakest possible man.
That is why calling a man a bitch displays internalized sexism.
It traps both men and women into rigid gender roles that simply can’t be realistically fulfilling for every human in our culture, and it traps any outliers in the caste of the outcasts.
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Mrs Barista wrote:How is that relevant? See below from the website "Everyday feminism". i don't know whether Connor is vegan but he's obviously comfortable with deep conversation, on a minute to minute basis.
Emasculation of the Bitch Snip.
Even if we accept all of that (some elements rang truer than others for me), then it’s still not misogyny by any definition I’m aware of.
Obviously men can be the victims of sexism, just as white people can experience racism. But men can’t directly be the victims of misogyny. It’d be misandry, which I suspect is a word currently being used excessively and largely inappropriately in other much scarier corners of the internet by angry and self-pitying misogynists. In this context, I agree that emasculation is the most accurate description. But ‘emasculator’ (or even effeminator) doesn’t currently have much sting to it.
Ironically and unfairly based on our (sexist) cultural norms, you defending Connor from emasculation, arguably emasculates him. Like that time my mum beat up Barrington Fishface for bullying me.
'Thus I am tormented by my curiosity and humbled by my ignorance.' from History of an Old Bramin, The New York Mirror (A Weekly Journal Devoted to Literature and the Fine Arts), February 16th 1833.
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Mild Rover wrote:Even if we accept all of that (some elements rang truer than others for me), then it’s still not misogyny by any definition I’m aware of.
Obviously men can be the victims of sexism, just as white people can experience racism. But men can’t directly be the victims of misogyny. It’d be misandry, which I suspect is a word currently being used excessively and largely inappropriately in other much scarier corners of the internet by angry and self-pitying misogynists. In this context, I agree that emasculation is the most accurate description. But ‘emasculator’ (or even effeminator) doesn’t currently have much sting to it.
Ironically and unfairly based on our (sexist) cultural norms, you defending Connor from emasculation, arguably emasculates him. Like that time my mum beat up Barrington Fishface for bullying me.
I'm learning lots of new words today, which is good. For clarity I don't think Connor needs defending as he seems very comfortable both in his own skin and under that of others, particularly Frankie and Bobness who struggle to come to terms with his subtle antagonism and prefer Danny Tickle's more direct approach.
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Mrs Barista wrote:I'm learning lots of new words today, which is good. For clarity I don't think Connor needs defending as he seems very comfortable both in his own skin and under that of others, particularly Frankie and Bobness who struggle to come to terms with his subtle antagonism and prefer Danny Tickle's more direct approach.
I don't mind admitting hating Connor and not just because of who he plays for it's probably more to do with the fact having to deal with grubs like him in my 20 years playing rugby I've lost count of the times I've been sent off reacting to there antics which I suppose is what they intended
einstien said insanity is when a person does the same thing over and over again but expects a different result
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fun time frankie wrote:I don't mind admitting hating Connor and not just because of who he plays for it's probably more to do with the fact having to deal with grubs like him in my 20 years playing rugby I've lost count of the times I've been sent off reacting to there antics which I suppose is what they intended
You hate him, have you ever met him, if not that's a very strong word for someone you have never met and based on his on the field antics, which are noting more than winding people up?
There are much worst players who have done much worst things on and off the field, I don't hate any of them.
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fun time frankie wrote:I don't mind admitting hating Connor and not just because of who he plays for it's probably more to do with the fact having to deal with grubs like him in my 20 years playing rugby I've lost count of the times I've been sent off reacting to there antics which I suppose is what they intended
He's not a gouger or biter, doesn't go for the cheap late shot nor is he a thug. He's talented, quick-witted and a wind up merchant. Not worthy of actual hatred, surely?
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fun time frankie wrote:I don't mind admitting hating Connor and not just because of who he plays for it's probably more to do with the fact having to deal with grubs like him in my 20 years playing rugby I've lost count of the times I've been sent off reacting to there antics which I suppose is what they intended
That says more about your inability to walk away than the players doing the winding up
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