When he left us for wire it coincided with Tony Smith signing a load of other poop like Kevin Brown and they went downhill fast but i remember wire fans saying he was one of their better players.

I still dont get why weve signed Watts best mate but were potentially gonna lose Washy, Mini and Manu so getting Westerman on board now even to replace Washy takes pressure off as we will now only have two new back rowers to find. Seems strange at first but in an ever increasingly difficult market for getting new quality players in it actually seems good business

The quotes from our CEO were quite telling when we sold him. He referenced the need to enhance the culture of the playing group. He was a disruptive influence in the group and spent far too long on the beer by all accounts. It seems he hasn’t changed since his move to Toronto - not helped by some of the other characters they had there no doubt.

Not a risk free signing for you even till the end of the season because of this.

Our drop is really tight and one of the main reasons Watts was sold, if he steps out of line, he won't be at Hull anymore. Hopefully him and Watts see this as a last chance.

The Toronto set up seems a bit of a shambles, no real base, they sign and release players on a monthly basis, I think a lot of it stems from Rowley, who is a strange character,

Our squad is now stronger and we have potentially a very good SL player on our books.

That was the year after, in his first season, they won the league and made the GF and CC final. Think he played well in his time at Warrington, certainly in his first year. I think his ego should have taken a knock having to take a paycut, if he knuckles down he will be a very good signing.

Westerman was better than Ellis in 2016 and should have been in the dream team at No.13, IF we can get him at that level and use him correctly then he will be a very good asset.
We await to see what happens but I don't see us changing how we play to utilise Westerman's strengths
All things considered, mid season it was pretty much the best we could do.

So you know more about the game than he professionals that play it, as around 1/4 of them voted Ellis as the MOS? http://www.rugby-league.com/article/386 ... n-of-steel Or more than the journalists who voted Ellis in the dream team over Westerman? So that's Lineham and Westerman better than Ellis and Fonua. Kevin Brown better than Kelly?

So you know more about the game than he professionals that play it, as around 1/4 of them voted Ellis as the MOS? http://www.rugby-league.com/article/386 ... n-of-steel Or more than the journalists who voted Ellis in the dream team over Westerman? So that's Lineham and Westerman better than Ellis and Fonua. Kevin Brown better than Kelly?

Dave K. wrote:So you know more about the game than he professionals that play it, as around 1/4 of them voted Ellis as the MOS? http://www.rugby-league.com/article/386 ... n-of-steel Or more than the journalists who voted Ellis in the dream team over Westerman? So that's Lineham and Westerman better than Ellis and Fonua. Kevin Brown better than Kelly? don't feed the troll, Bumpy is just pathetic.

Dave K. wrote:So you know more about the game than he professionals that play it, as around 1/4 of them voted Ellis as the MOS? http://www.rugby-league.com/article/386 ... n-of-steel Or more than the journalists who voted Ellis in the dream team over Westerman? So that's Lineham and Westerman better than Ellis and Fonua. Kevin Brown better than Kelly? don't feed the troll, Bumpy is just pathetic.