PCollinson1990 wrote:when are you buying the club and pumping your millions in?
I merely stated a fact. we have not had a marquee signing that the club i.e. Adam Pearson has paid for. We have only had one season with a marquee player - Pritchard, as mentioned mostly paid for by the Canterbury club. There is nothing stopping AP from signing a marquee player to bolster/improve the team other than what I mentioned, the financial risk, the risk is based upon the cost of paying that extra salary against what can be gained. If that financial risk was not a consideration then why haven't we had a marquee signing every year, or do you think that we don't need a marquee signing, that t wouldn't enhance/improve our chances of winning silverware?
No, yet again instead of addressing what was said you attack a poster with irrelevant BS because you don't have the capacity to even enter into a debate about what was said, just lob abuse at posters.
knockersbumpMKII wrote:I merely stated a fact. we have not had a marquee signing that the club i.e. Adam Pearson has paid for. We have only had one season with a marquee player - Pritchard, as mentioned mostly paid for by the Canterbury club. There is nothing stopping AP from signing a marquee player to bolster/improve the team other than what I mentioned, the financial risk, the risk is based upon the cost of paying that extra salary against what can be gained. If that financial risk was not a consideration then why haven't we had a marquee signing every year, or do you think that we don't need a marquee signing, that t wouldn't enhance/improve our chances of winning silverware?
No, yet again instead of addressing what was said you attack a poster with irrelevant BS because you don't have the capacity to even enter into a debate about what was said, just lob abuse at posters.
back to back Challenge Cups, back to back on the brink of the Grand Final, AP has invested in the infrastrcture of the club long term. You simply just criticise the club at every turn.
PCollinson1990 wrote:back to back Challenge Cups, back to back on the brink of the Grand Final, AP has invested in the infrastrcture of the club long term. You simply just criticise the club at every turn.
He hasn't criticised the club, he has stated that AP hasn't opted to utilise the marquee player ruling, apart from Pritchard, but his salary had contributions from the Bulldogs too
knockersbumpMKII wrote:did you forget about our no.13, Josh Bowden? I think Fash should be looked upon as a shoe in on the bench for next year if he continues his progress. Turgut I agree needs game time, he was being used as a utility forward last year, whilst I was disappointed with his progress after getting a fairly decent run and there was some nasty niggle that was totally uncalled for if we are to continue his development then he and other need to get games ahead of senior players that are really not cutting the mustard and are in effect blocking the progress of others.
Like I said, we could use a prop at 13, ie Bowden or Green.
With Fash I think he’ll become our first call at back up with injuries in the pack but don’t know if he’ll become a first choice 17 player due to his size. Maybe he’d do the job as an extra forward on the bench.
Turget needs to be playing at least Championship level on a regular basis but it’s hard to get players out on loan with a lot of clubs tied up with players on dual reg. Ideally we need Doncaster getting promoted.
PCollinson1990 wrote:back to back Challenge Cups, back to back on the brink of the Grand Final, AP has invested in the infrastrcture of the club long term. You simply just criticise the club at every turn.
read his post again, "nothing stopping", that is basically "why hasn't". Pritchard was completely overrated and overpaid. Make Kelly a "marquee" by all means.
Dave K. wrote:Still Abdul and Hakim, wouldn't be suprised to see Liam Harris atHull next year.
not good enough yet Dave even in division 1. We went through this before we signed Kelly everyone saying Tuimavave would be our 6 yet most people could see it wasnt his position. When Kelly goes we need to use the quota spot and try to sign a similar running half.Abdull and Connor are not the answer especially playing with Sneyd. Connor should be at right centre and Griffin moved into the second row.
Wilde 3 wrote:He hasn't criticised the club, he has stated that AP hasn't opted to utilise the marquee player ruling, apart from Pritchard, but his salary had contributions from the Bulldogs too
Whilst a proportion of his salary was paid by the Bulldogs, Hull still paid him enough to be able to use him as a marquee player, £175k of which counts on the cap IIRC.
The issue isn't the money IMO, but the % of cap that 1 marquee player takes up. £175k is just shy of 10% of the whole cap, could be too high a proportion for a chairman to risk on one player, which may be why the rule hasn't been utilised more in general. I think the home grown marquee player rule is used more across SL at the moment as less £ counts on the cap, proportionately a lot lower.
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I think the "notional" marquee salary cap is now set at £150k (£75k if club trained), and I guess it means that promoting a £100k player to a marquee player effectively reduces your salary cap by £50k. Obviously increasing any player's salary reduces the overall pot, but getting up to £150k (and beyond) will probably end up with one player less in the squad.
Is Hodgson the new Griffin, or is it all about pace?
ccs wrote:I think the "notional" marquee salary cap is now set at £150k (£75k if club trained), and I guess it means that promoting a £100k player to a marquee player effectively reduces your salary cap by £50k. Obviously increasing any player's salary reduces the overall pot, but getting up to £150k (and beyond) will probably end up with one player less in the squad.
You're absolutely right, I've just checked the RFL's website, here are the current key dispensations:
- Marquee Player – Each Super League Club is permitted to have two Marquee Players whose Salary Cap Value is limited to £150,000 (or £75,000 if Club Trained).
- Club Trained Dispensation – Each Super League Club is given up to £100,000 of dispensation for producing Super League standard players.
- Player Welfare Dispensation – Each Super League Club that achieves the player welfare target is given a £15,000 dispensation.
- New Talent Pool Dispensation – Any Player who has not previously played Rugby League is given a value of £0 in the first year of his contract and at 50% of his true value in the second year.
- Returning Talent Pool Dispensation – Any Player who has not previously played Rugby League in the 5 years prior to signing is given a value of 50% of his true value in the first year of his contract and 75% of his true value in the second year.
- International Bonuses – Bonuses paid for international representation are excluded up to specified maximums.
- Educational Fees paid directly by Clubs are excluded.
- Prize Money – Payments made out of prize money are excluded.
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