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knockersbumpMKII wrote:When has Barba even been second choice at FB for the kangeroos, how often has he even being in the squad, he's good in fits and starts but clearly you don't even understand what world class means!
It means top one or two in the world in your position, Barba is and never has been anywhere near, his lack of a single cap proves that. A world class player gets picked and utilised, sometimes at the expense of others, Barba doesn't on either score because he isn't.
As for Houghton, narrow minded failed coached can't understand what Houghton could have brought to an England side. Yes Roby is a world class player on his day but taking the pressure off the forwards with his defence makes a huge difference no other hooker in the world can do. We'll never know now seeing as successive coaches have ignored him for plodders/error strewn types like Hodgson and Clarke who have failed miserably at the top level.
Utter nonsense yet again.
Clearly Ben Barba is World Class. He's currently the best player in the SL. If he's not World Class, then our entire competition is devoid of World Class players. Which is a ridiculous thing to believe. So what he's been behind Slater in the pecking order? That means nothing. In your even more moronic third paragraph, you contradict your own argument saying that it's only because of an error in selection that Houghton didn't play. How is that any different to Barba not getting selected?
And as for Hodgson being a "plodder/error strewn type", words fails me. You constantly reach unsurpassed heights of stupidity.
Roby proved yet again that he was the best hooker in our competition as far as I'm concerned. I think it's only partisan, blinkered support that could claim otherwise. Which we've always been guilty of to be honest. I think we have some great professionals that compliment our overseas players, but I don't think we have an English player that is the best in his position.
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St's on Friday is a tough game as its away and the 3rd game in 7 days over the Easter period which makes it even tougher. The pitch at St's is still bloody awful (can't believe that it hasn't been sorted as it was poor last season) and will certainly take the juice out the players.
The fact that St's are playing the same squad as Monday could be where its won/lost if we have fully fit Danny, Shaul, Carlos & Sika back in the 17 and also Lane who's been impressive. o
Do think we have a chance but only if we cut out the stupid penalties we are giving away of late and the basic poor errors.
For me it is a lottery due to the 3rd game in 7 days.
I really enjoy long walks especially when they are taken by people I don't like!
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knockersbumpMKII wrote:@AS108 When has Barba even been second choice at FB for the kangeroos, how often has he even being in the squad, he's good in fits and starts but clearly you don't even understand what world class means!
It means top one or two in the world in your position, Barba is and never has been anywhere near, his lack of a single cap proves that. A world class player gets picked and utilised, sometimes at the expense of others, Barba doesn't on either score because he isn't.
As for Houghton, narrow minded failed coached can't understand what Houghton could have brought to an England side. Yes Roby is a world class player on his day but taking the pressure off the forwards with his defence makes a huge difference no other hooker in the world can do. We'll never know now seeing as successive coaches have ignored him for plodders/error strewn types like Hodgson and Clarke who have failed miserably at the top level.
I’ve not used international caps to say Roby is world class, I’ve used them to say he’s considered to be better than Houghton by the England coaches seen as he gets chosen over him. How hard is that to understand. As I said earlier if you are going to use international caps to say a player is world class then Matty Smith and LMS would be world class when clearly they aren’t. It’s also like saying Ratchford or Lomax are world class because they start for England but Barba isn’t because he doesn’t start for Australia, completely illogical. Also, you wouldn’t say Barba is one of the best fullbacks in the world? Funny how all the Cronulla fans would love him back.
That last paragraph really is worrying. You say that Houghton takes the pressure off the forwards with his defence. Roby averages 48 tackles a game so far (not including the Widnes game because he was rested for the last half hour) which is just as much as, if not more than Houghton does and Roby is 32. That statement about no other Hooker being able to do that is therefore a lie. Also how can anyone call Daryl Clarke and Josh Hodgson error strewed or plodders? One is a man of steel winner who’s been in good form this season and the other has more than established himself in the NRL. To say either have failed at the top level is just a blatant lie.
Tinkerman23 wrote:Your living in the past, over the last 4 seasons Houghton as been far better than Roby, 2 CC medals , MOS. Its been an absolute disgrace him not been picked for England. And once again tomorrow night , you will see Roby go missing after been dominated by Houghton
What on earth does challenge cup wins have to do with which player is better? Hull won the challenge cup not Houghton so comparing team achievments is illogical. And one MOS definitely doesn’t prove that Houghton has been better for the last 4 years. I also like how you don’t compare the two for the years before. And we are clearly forgetting the 45-0 game at the Magic last year as well.
Dave K. wrote:Based on the last couple of seasons I would say he is playing for a top club, considering we have won more trophies then any other SL club in that period. He is very loyal and could have gone to Leeds 3 years ago, if he became available just about every club would be interested.
To be fair Roby is best hooker in SL, but here has been games in the last few years where he has outplayed him.
Is Roby good to enoug to play in the NRL, probably, but we wol never know as he hasn't had the bottle to try and play in the best league in the world.
So, when Houghton has the chance to step up to a higher level but doesn’t he’s loyal but Roby doesn’t have the ‘bottle’ when it comes to him?
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AS108 wrote:I’ve not used international caps to say Roby is world class, I’ve used them to say he’s considered to be better than Houghton by the England coaches seen as he gets chosen over him. How hard is that to understand. As I said earlier if you are going to use international caps to say a player is world class then Matty Smith and LMS would be world class when clearly they aren’t. It’s also like saying Ratchford or Lomax are world class because they start for England but Barba isn’t because he doesn’t start for Australia, completely illogical. Also, you wouldn’t say Barba is one of the best fullbacks in the world? Funny how all the Cronulla fans would love him back.
That last paragraph really is worrying. You say that Houghton takes the pressure off the forwards with his defence. Roby averages 48 tackles a game so far (not including the Widnes game because he was rested for the last half hour) which is just as much as, if not more than Houghton does and Roby is 32. That statement about no other Hooker being able to do that is therefore a lie. Also how can anyone call Daryl Clarke and Josh Hodgson error strewed or plodders? One is a man of steel winner who’s been in good form this season and the other has more than established himself in the NRL. To say either have failed at the top level is just a blatant lie.
Whilst Roby has been world class in his career to say he is today is stretching it a little, that said he is still a very good player. Danny Houghton for me is up there with Roby in terms of ability and although they play at 9 they are still different types of players but go about their roles very well. For you to say Houghton is no where near Roby shows you to be very blinkered and little knowledge of Houghton. As for international honours adding weight to your argument that's another non starter as successive coaches for the national side (even the great Wayne Bennett himself) have continually picked the same old faces and from same clubs rather than truly going on form (regardless of club they play for) otherwise Kevin Brown must be world class by your thought process.
I really enjoy long walks especially when they are taken by people I don't like!
this time last season and for 75% of it this saints squad minus Barba was the worst in livung memory according to most saints fans on their board last year, including with the likes of roby!
now they have arguably the best player in the comp playing week in week out they are now the benchmark! as for our friend from saints who posts on here, i'll expect he will disappear again next season once Barba goes back to the NRL as he wasnt around last year much irrc
Chris71 wrote:Whilst Roby has been world class in his career to say he is today is stretching it a little, that said he is still a very good player. Danny Houghton for me is up there with Roby in terms of ability and although they play at 9 they are still different types of players but go about their roles very well. For you to say Houghton is no where near Roby shows you to be very blinkered and little knowledge of Houghton. As for international honours adding weight to your argument that's another non starter as successive coaches for the national side (even the great Wayne Bennett himself) have continually picked the same old faces and from same clubs rather than truly going on form (regardless of club they play for) otherwise Kevin Brown must be world class by your thought process.
I disagree, he still is. Near on 50 tackles and 100 metres every game for someone who’s only got a few years left is phenomenal. Houghton is a good player, very good at times but every pro/ex-pro is only complimentary of Roby. Michael Shelton said he was the best players he’s ever played with and called him a machine. Houghton definitely has never been at the level of Roby. Also I wouldn’t say they are that different, they both play 80 mins most of the time, they both put in 40+ tackles a game. If anything I’d say they’re quite similar.
As for the part in bold, for the last time, I am not saying Roby is world class based on him being chosen, obviously if that was the case then every player at the World Cup would be. I am saying he’s world class based on what I’ve seen throughout his career. Also, I’m saying that the fact that he gets chosen over Houghton regularly shows how he’s seen as better than him. That is literally a fact. His performances at the World Cup showed he’s still world class, he outshone Hodgson and was one of our best players. Roby is a considerable amount better than Houghton and that’s not me saying Houghton isn’t a quality player because he is.
AS108 wrote:I’ve not used international caps to say Roby is world class, I’ve used them to say he’s considered to be better than Houghton by the England coaches seen as he gets chosen over him. How hard is that to understand
John Bateman is a better left centre than Mark Percival. Surely you agree?
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by your thought process.
