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Cronus wrote: or have some idea.
Usually you need a teeny, weeny bit more evidence to be found guilty. Unless the law has changed.
Cronus wrote:Yes, Iranian scientists - in conjunction with the OPCW - synthesised 5 Novichok agents on a micro-scale a few years ago.
These guys were chemists working in a standard laboratory, not at the Iranian Porton Down. Which shows that the information is out there & not limited to nation states as the Government suggests. http://www.spectroscopynow.com/details/ ... &tzcheck=1
Cronus wrote: or have some idea.
Usually you need a teeny, weeny bit more evidence to be found guilty. Unless the law has changed.
Cronus wrote:Yes, Iranian scientists - in conjunction with the OPCW - synthesised 5 Novichok agents on a micro-scale a few years ago.
These guys were chemists working in a standard laboratory, not at the Iranian Porton Down. Which shows that the information is out there & not limited to nation states as the Government suggests. http://www.spectroscopynow.com/details/ ... &tzcheck=1
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bren2k wrote:Very little - and Labour have been very clear about their stance on all three, so you'll feel very comfortable as a converted Corbynite. Welcome aboard comrade!
Thanks for your kind offer to climb on board jeezas journey to wipe out the Labour Party. However on this occasion I must respectfully decline. If I need to experience Marxist socialism abject failures I can visit Venezuela (starve to death) also Cuba (people jailed for political opposition) not forgetting Russia a charming combination of Cuba and Venezuela all rolled together with a combination of poverty and a one party state. Not forgetting extreme violence visited on political opponents. Airstrip one here we come.
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WIZEB wrote:Do us all a favour? Take Cronus with you.
Unfortunately I can’t do that. Somebody has to point out the tripe that the metropolitan elite and liberal snowflakes are trying to inflict on the country.
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tigertot wrote:Usually you need a teeny, weeny bit more evidence to be found guilty. Unless the law has changed.
Is that it? You cherry-pick those few words? Deary me. Standards are slipping.
Quote:These guys were chemists working in a standard laboratory, not at the Iranian Porton Down. Which shows that the information is out there & not limited to nation states as the Government suggests. http://www.spectroscopynow.com/details/ ... &tzcheck=1
So the OPCW picked some random scientists in a bog-standard laboratory, not experts chemists in a specialised lab? Nothing in that link (which I've read before) says is was a standard lab. I guarantee, with the enormous danger involved in what they were doing (hence why the samples were only produced on a micro-level), it was a specialised lab.
As for the rest, did you, at any point, engage your brain while reading my reply? Yes, the structures were out there. We know that. That doesn't mean anyone is going to breach the UN Chemical Weapons Convention and start producing it, just to attack a forgotten spy.
tigertot wrote:Then illegal mass surveillance of the population by police; then illegal torture of prisoners; then illegal blacklisting of trades union members; then illegally providing personal information by such organisations to police on people who have committed no crimes; then illegal hacking of campaigners & journalists accounts by a secretive Scotland Yard unit; then illegal collaboration between security forces & terrorist organisations to have individuals murdered in Northern Ireland; then undercover police officers who encouraged illegal acts; then undercover police who infiltrated environmental groups & sired children with activists; the illegal murder & torture of unarmed Iraqis etc; are all undertaken with the full knowledge & approval of the Government. But then you knew all this anyway.
All of which bears precisely zero relevance in this situation. Think means and motive and then start thinking seriously about the details. Your argument is based entirely on 'cos I plucked it out of thin air', in the face of overwhelming actual evidence.
The day after the London Bridge attack I had to endure 2 Asian gentlemen in my gym discussing in very loud voices how it was all engineered by Theresa May to divert from the General Election, because a 'brother' would never do such a thing. You fit right in that bracket. In fact you probably agree with them.
tigertot wrote:Usually you need a teeny, weeny bit more evidence to be found guilty. Unless the law has changed.
Is that it? You cherry-pick those few words? Deary me. Standards are slipping.
Quote:These guys were chemists working in a standard laboratory, not at the Iranian Porton Down. Which shows that the information is out there & not limited to nation states as the Government suggests. http://www.spectroscopynow.com/details/ ... &tzcheck=1
So the OPCW picked some random scientists in a bog-standard laboratory, not experts chemists in a specialised lab? Nothing in that link (which I've read before) says is was a standard lab. I guarantee, with the enormous danger involved in what they were doing (hence why the samples were only produced on a micro-level), it was a specialised lab.
As for the rest, did you, at any point, engage your brain while reading my reply? Yes, the structures were out there. We know that. That doesn't mean anyone is going to breach the UN Chemical Weapons Convention and start producing it, just to attack a forgotten spy.
tigertot wrote:Then illegal mass surveillance of the population by police; then illegal torture of prisoners; then illegal blacklisting of trades union members; then illegally providing personal information by such organisations to police on people who have committed no crimes; then illegal hacking of campaigners & journalists accounts by a secretive Scotland Yard unit; then illegal collaboration between security forces & terrorist organisations to have individuals murdered in Northern Ireland; then undercover police officers who encouraged illegal acts; then undercover police who infiltrated environmental groups & sired children with activists; the illegal murder & torture of unarmed Iraqis etc; are all undertaken with the full knowledge & approval of the Government. But then you knew all this anyway.
All of which bears precisely zero relevance in this situation. Think means and motive and then start thinking seriously about the details. Your argument is based entirely on 'cos I plucked it out of thin air', in the face of overwhelming actual evidence.
The day after the London Bridge attack I had to endure 2 Asian gentlemen in my gym discussing in very loud voices how it was all engineered by Theresa May to divert from the General Election, because a 'brother' would never do such a thing. You fit right in that bracket. In fact you probably agree with them.
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Cronus wrote:Is that it? You cherry-pick those few words? Deary me. Standards are slipping.
Your few words are sufficient highlight your hypocrisy.
Quote:in the face of overwhelming actual evidence.
So there is overwhelming evidence then? Make your mind up.
Quote:The day after the London Bridge attack I had to endure 2 Asian gentlemen in my gym discussing in very loud voices how it was all engineered by Theresa May to divert from the General Election, because a 'brother' would never do such a thing. You fit right in that bracket. In fact you probably agree with them.
Hypocrisy exposed so start to throw out the insults. Classic.
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tigertot wrote:Your few words are sufficient highlight your hypocrisy.
So there is overwhelming evidence then? Make your mind up.
Hypocrisy exposed so start to throw out the insults. Classic.
So tell me again how a British right-wing group were able to manufacture, handle, transport, mix and administer a Novichok agent and why they attacked a long-forgotten Russian? Any evidence would be good. You know, just a teeny bit. Evidence, not theories made-up in your head or read on some balmpot website.
Might as well tell me it was Mark Zuckerberg to divert from the Cambridge Analytica scandal.
Otherwise I refer you to my earlier reply, in which you might start to understand why the finger points directly at Russia. Lots of evidence and details, all conveniently posted in a single place for your enjoyment.
So here's a thing - entirely separate to any party political lines and with no commentary on how either side have responded to the issue - so I'll refrain from commenting on the Maybot, and you all refrain from the Comrade Corbyn retorts...
A super lethal, internationally prohibited nerve agent, so deadly that exposure to even a trace amount can be lethal, causing a dramatic, painful death - was deployed on the streets of Salisbury, and 2 people are critically ill as a result; none of the public, police, Dr's and nurses, or any bystanders or other people who came into contact with them has been affected - apart from one police officer, who has made a speedy and full recovery.
bren2k wrote:So here's a thing - entirely separate to any party political lines and with no commentary on how either side have responded to the issue - so I'll refrain from commenting on the Maybot, and you all refrain from the Comrade Corbyn retorts...
A super lethal, internationally prohibited nerve agent, so deadly that exposure to even a trace amount can be lethal, causing a dramatic, painful death - was deployed on the streets of Salisbury, and 2 people are critically ill as a result; none of the public, police, Dr's and nurses, or any bystanders or other people who came into contact with them has been affected - apart from one police officer, who has made a speedy and full recovery.
How come?
Because May and Trump need something to take the peoples minds off gun control and the brexit shambles. Step forward Russia. How very convienient
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