Fascinating, you would prefer to be ruled by unelected bureaucrats the likes of Barnier,tusk and that Belgian poppinay.
You never voted for these people and you can’t vote them out. Johnson, Rees-mogg and gove can be voted out, in fact the Labour Party think they can take Johnson’s seat and possibly Amber Rudd’s. That’s the way democracy works ,unlike the European Union.
You say you want to be in the club shaping the rules. Presumably that’s the club that’s swamped this country with cheap Labour.

You would rather have your laws decided for you by the Macron than actually make your own rules. You would rather the French and the Germans decide which court has the ultimate legal say. You would the Germans to dictate on what terms you can do business with the rest of the world.

Above all you are happy that the 10bn a year we contribute to the EU is well spent - because there is no way being inside the EU is going to give you any influence on how the French/Germans decide how to divide up the monies. Only the remainers believe being in the EU give you some say/influence on where the money is spent - its so naive.

Sal Paradise wrote:You would rather have your laws decided for you by the Macron than actually make your own rules. The usual rhetoric and jingoism - with no facts to back it up. Brexit has taken on the look and feel of a cultish religion now - there are lots of people who believe in 'taking back control' and 'making our own way,' and believe that we can trade with the rest of the world the day after it happens, without actually understanding most of the detail, or having any genuine sense of what EU laws have impacted on their lives, or how a trade deal works. It requires a significant leap of faith to believe we'll be better of outside the EU - one I'm not prepared to make, because it will negatively impact far too many people when it proves to be untrue.

Sal Paradise wrote:You would rather have your laws decided for you by the Macron than actually make your own rules. The usual rhetoric and jingoism - with no facts to back it up. Brexit has taken on the look and feel of a cultish religion now - there are lots of people who believe in 'taking back control' and 'making our own way,' and believe that we can trade with the rest of the world the day after it happens, without actually understanding most of the detail, or having any genuine sense of what EU laws have impacted on their lives, or how a trade deal works. It requires a significant leap of faith to believe we'll be better of outside the EU - one I'm not prepared to make, because it will negatively impact far too many people when it proves to be untrue.

bren2k wrote:The usual rhetoric and jingoism - with no facts to back it up. Brexit has taken on the look and feel of a cultish religion now - there are lots of people who believe in 'taking back control' and 'making our own way,' and believe that we can trade with the rest of the world the day after it happens, without actually understanding most of the detail, or having any genuine sense of what EU laws have impacted on their lives, or how a trade deal works. It requires a significant leap of faith to believe we'll be better of outside the EU - one I'm not prepared to make, because it will negatively impact far too many people when it proves to be untrue. Have we not just passed a law to bring all current EU legislation on to UK statute? I would suggest that is a fact - who made those laws? Currently which is the highest court the UK needs to observe - EUC - fact Who determines how the EU budget is distributed - EU fact

bren2k wrote:The usual rhetoric and jingoism - with no facts to back it up. Brexit has taken on the look and feel of a cultish religion now - there are lots of people who believe in 'taking back control' and 'making our own way,' and believe that we can trade with the rest of the world the day after it happens, without actually understanding most of the detail, or having any genuine sense of what EU laws have impacted on their lives, or how a trade deal works. It requires a significant leap of faith to believe we'll be better of outside the EU - one I'm not prepared to make, because it will negatively impact far too many people when it proves to be untrue. Have we not just passed a law to bring all current EU legislation on to UK statute? I would suggest that is a fact - who made those laws? Currently which is the highest court the UK needs to observe - EUC - fact Who determines how the EU budget is distributed - EU fact

And which EU 'law' (and observe the difference between an EU law and a EU directive) has had a negative impact on your life?

As for the CJEU - it's primary purpose is to ensure that EU regs are properly implemented in member states; so if you think for one second that we'll be able to broker a bespoke trade deal with the EU that doesn't require us to comply with common standards around safety, welfare and consumer protection, you're in Brexit-induced cloud cuckoo land. At best, the very competent Brexit team will have to create a UK based quasi-CJEU to replace it - good luck with that one.

And I would find it bizarre if the EU didn't decide how its own budget was distributed - as a member, and an influential and important one at that, we had a big say in it, and the UK benefited from it; we pay a rebated fee of £280 million a week, and in return, our membership of the SM is worth 4% more in GDP - roughly £1.9 billion a week.

The UK does decide how tax payers money, collected in the UK, is spent and it's right and proper that monies collected by the EU are spent in accordance with the EU's wishes. I think that may be why we have MEP's.

Of course there are bureaucrats, who nobody likes, similar to civil servants in this country, the system would collapse without them.

Can any of the brexiteers on here who want to take their country back from immigrants please tell me what these so called laws are that they talk about? You know, these laws that Macron brought on us?

Regards

King James

Collaborator, spy, Comrade Corbyn will see us right. The man is a liar and a traitor.

We should bring back the death penalty, for a one off show on ITV! we can test it first on bren2k!

The only way that could happen is if the government agreed to a referendum.

But they aren't silly enough to do that, oh wait!

You can't blame a government for excercising democracy, the unfortunate fact is you don't need an IQ to vote!