Might have a better chance but they've retired, let's get over it and it's not like they're ready made like for like replacements for those players running around.

All the talk about Sinfield and Peacock and another coach.

Question did Sinfield and Peacock + co win a CC under McClennen, under Smith, under Powell?

Seem to recall a SF loss to Hudds in2006 that was much worst than today, losing to Hull in a final, getting walloped by Warrington in 2010.

For the majority of the 21st century we've been dumped out of the cup in disappointing fashion regardless of players or coach. The only who has landed is the cup is actually McDermott. McClennen, Smith, Powell and Lance all failed.

At the start of the year McDermott said we were aiming for the treble. After the cas thrashing he said we could still win the grand final. He was derided for both, but is that not aiming high and believing in your own ability?

Damned if he does, damned if he doesn't.

I believe the person you quoted said "team". He said nothing about individual people.

So 2 of three objectives have gone out of the window - so does that suggest the start of the year objectives were unrealistic?

Surely the objective of any season is for the team to play to its potential and if that delivers success that's great if not so be it.

Fans surely cannot ask anymore - Leeds have only played to their true potential once this season IMO - Warrington at home - that suggests the coaching staff have plenty of scope for improvement

I suspect you didn't attend the game at Salford. From my viewpoint that performance was better than the one against Warrington.

I didn't I was on vacation