I think the main cause of discontent this year is that fans don't like the direction the club is heading in. For most of the season there doesn't seem to have been effort put in by the club to find out the cause of decline on the field...even our wins have not looked convincing. Are the board not bothered about keeping the club at the forefront of the entertainment industry ? They should be concerned that season tickets maybe sold in a trickle next season especially after this season's fiasco when most games have been on tv anyway.We don't expect to win every game but putting in the effort would be nice & serving up a decent product on the pitch. We want to be entertained.

Yes the 2009 Wembley win was special and I've got enough lows in the bank to appreciate it dating back to Reg Bowden.

It may be my middle age now but I'm not as passionate about Wire as I was in my youth. I don't get angry when I see the dross served up I just think "well it's you own fault Ian for going". Hence I pick and choose. I may yet go to Hudds and combine it with a motorbike ride over the hills. I may not. Everyone is free to do what they wish.

maybe league will eventually go FULL USA..... Moran will take the Wolves franchise to a town that will get behind the team... Gateshead Wolves or maybe even Bradford Wolves.

Exactly - it's not like we are building something and we can see progress in the right direction. It's just dire performances served up with an incredible excuse that is blatantly not acknowledging what supporters can see with their own eyes. Seasoned RL fans know when a team is playing well or not. Now the excuses are coming before the game.

The big difference now is expectations are much higher, which is going to be difficult for whoever succeeds TS at Warrington.

The mantra now is only winning the Grand Final is success - everything else is failure.

Think about some of our former seasons that are remembered fondly by Wire fans.
1986/87, did the double over Wigan, the only team to beat them, finished 3rd in the league and lost the Premiership Final to Wigan.
1993/94, finished 3rd, joint top on points but behind Wigan and Bradford on points difference, had Jonathan Davies as Man of Steel.

Imagine getting those kind of results today and trying to argue they were a success...

"if only Russell Smith hadn't given that penalty for Cullen going in with his knees"
"nearly"
"woulda coulda"

It's just like TS's team finishing top and losing both major finals - finish empty handed and it's failure. Fans today would not have tolerated the records of Tony Barrow or Brian Johnson's teams.

They were the best team. We were miles off. We were too loose and gave too many penalties away.

"We need to get back to good defence. It was a poor and soft start and we gave ourselves too much to do.

"We scored some tries in the second half but it wasn't enough as we were out-muscled. We had too much defence to do and we have a lot to learn.

"We're a confident bunch but we're low on gas. Hull are the same with injures but they coped better."

These are the words of our "friendly" neighbourhood gorilla, and after today's defeat by Hull.

Now, not for one minute am I suggesting that we judge a coach on how he reacts to a loss. I just look at these words, and think at least he's showing some honesty. Seriously, no bull excrement, no Tony Blair/Alastair Campbell spin. Just a plain and simple not good enough.

We've got to the stage where we're playing Smith Bingo, at press conferences. Just bluff.

I'm reminded of that quote in Mike Greg's autobiography, and which went along the lines of "A Warrington fan wants effort. They know when they're being let down". It's just a pity that the coaching setup, and and the players are wholly unaware of this.

Hasler in.

We could do with getting Matty smith from Saints. Play him off brown in the halves.

I think people preferred the 85/86 season than 86/87 when we actually won the Premiership but I get your point. Quite simple really expectations have risen in line with the clubs resources. The club was constantly telling us from 2009 that we were a club going places. Now we actually have to get there.

yep...that place is called the Championship....and for the first time in our history we will drop out of top flight RL....what a sorry state of affairs.