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 Post subject: Re: @ Warrington Rnd 10
PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:40 pm 
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jools wrote:Can't buy a win at the moment. One of these days we will finish a break made by Gaskell.....


Thought we'd signed a "poacher" Jools who had a reputation for getting on the end of breaks - correct me if I'm mistaken?
Maybe he's being saved for backup at full back or his contribution in a vital play off game (as last year ) Either way it's puzzling!






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 Post subject: Re: @ Warrington Rnd 10
PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 3:55 pm 
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Chetnik wrote:Agree with you here mate. Clough was never a Seb type player, we all knew that. But he is a smart, hard working forward and been one of our best forwards so far this year for me.

Wakeman is getting better, I think he has a long way to go until we see his best.


Looked at Clough's stats. Average 6.99 metres, 3 errors, 3 offloads and no penalties.

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 Post subject: Re: @ Warrington Rnd 10
PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:08 pm 
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Reading with interest in what has been said on the Forum. I was at the game yesterday and looking forward to seeing Jake Mamo in action. However, I was totally disappointed with his positional play, he looked all at sea under the high ball ( so much so that Darnell was moved to full back for a while) and didn't offer that much in defence or attack. Admittedly he had a good try saving tackle in the second half, but other than that (and his try) - not a lot to be happy with
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:22 pm 
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Frankiefartown wrote:Reading with interest in what has been said on the Forum. I was at the game yesterday and looking forward to seeing Jake Mamo in action. However, I was totally disappointed with his positional play, he looked all at sea under the high ball ( so much so that Darnell was moved to full back for a while) and didn't offer that much in defence or attack. Admittedly he had a good try saving tackle in the second half, but other than that (and his try) - not a lot to be happy with
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On the plus side he's enthusiastic and vocal. Thought he organised the defence pretty well.

He may have gone out to the wing for a breather after supporting for his try. :wink:

He was blowing a bit at times but I guess that's to be expected at the moment.

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 Post subject: Re: @ Warrington Rnd 10
PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 4:53 pm 
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Frankiefartown wrote:Reading with interest in what has been said on the Forum. I was at the game yesterday and looking forward to seeing Jake Mamo in action. However, I was totally disappointed with his positional play, he looked all at sea under the high ball ( so much so that Darnell was moved to full back for a while) and didn't offer that much in defence or attack. Admittedly he had a good try saving tackle in the second half, but other than that (and his try) - not a lot to be happy with
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he moved to the wing because he was struggling with fitness, understandable when he only started running two weeks ago and not played for 6 months. the same thing happened against catalans and macintosh helped him out

mamo got the man of the match in the examiner, two games in a row

good to see an attacking full back who looks dangerous, maybe abit shaky under the high ball though i feel






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 Post subject: Re: @ Warrington Rnd 10
PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:22 pm 
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I think you guys were quite unlucky not to get the win ref had an awful game he was however consistantly awful towards both sides !!! I don't think he brought you back the ten or didn't notice how often you were off side and also some bad desision against you that could have changed the game.

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 Post subject: Re: @ Warrington Rnd 10
PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:41 pm 
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Mamo did nothing in attack?
You obviously missed his pass to set up Mackintosh for his try and his run across the pitch and pass to Wood that helped create Jerry's try.

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 Post subject: Re: @ Warrington Rnd 10
PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 6:48 pm 
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TBC wrote:Looked at Clough's stats. Average 6.99 metres, 3 errors, 3 offloads and no penalties.


Correct he has not given a single penalty away this season. A shame a few more cannot follow his lead on the discipline front.

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 Post subject: Re: @ Warrington Rnd 10
PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 10:23 pm 
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TBC wrote:Looked at Clough's stats. Average 6.99 metres, 3 errors, 3 offloads and no penalties.


Stats as i hope we know do not tell the whole story. He looks utterly pedestrian when carting the ball up, is easily dealt with which leads to a slow play the ball. There is more to being an effective forward than simply meters gained. He looks a championship player through and through to me, causes absolutely no problems for the opposition at all. To be an effective forward at this level you have to be able to either offload, 'get your nose through the tackle' for a fast play the ball, or have some distribution skills. Clough has none of these and is a waste of a play every time he gets the ball.

Regarding Mamo, he may not be getting everything right, but he is a breath of fresh air to me. He has bags of enthusiasm, and in his first match was trying to get on the end of everything we were creating, which is great. I hope he drags certain players level of enthusiasm upwards and not visa versa!!

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 Post subject: Re: @ Warrington Rnd 10
PostPosted: Tue Apr 18, 2017 11:28 pm 
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Hangermans wrote:Stats as i hope we know do not tell the whole story. He looks utterly pedestrian when carting the ball up, is easily dealt with which leads to a slow play the ball. There is more to being an effective forward than simply meters gained. He looks a championship player through and through to me, causes absolutely no problems for the opposition at all. To be an effective forward at this level you have to be able to either offload, 'get your nose through the tackle' for a fast play the ball, or have some distribution skills. Clough has none of these and is a waste of a play every time he gets the ball.

Regarding Mamo, he may not be getting everything right, but he is a breath of fresh air to me. He has bags of enthusiasm, and in his first match was trying to get on the end of everything we were creating, which is great. I hope he drags certain players level of enthusiasm upwards and not visa versa!!


The first and foremost job of a forward is to make metres.

Offloads, quick play the balls and distribution skills come second.

I know stats don't tell the whole story.

Let's say a penalty gives the oppo 25 metres from the kick.

That would drop Ikahihifo's nett metres made down to 4.96 average against Clough's 6.99.

Both players give something to the team in different ways - if we could get someone on the end of those Ikahihifo breaks then the penalties he gives away would be worth it.

As it is Clough is making a bigger contribution to consistently getting the team upfield at the moment.

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