theblondebomber wrote:Should the back room staff of gone too?
'Of'? You mean 'have'?
In my view this is one of the poorest aspects to today. No way should Long and Lolesi still be in post and the very fact that they are suggests to me that the next appointment will be a safe, insular thinking one, more intent on protecting the positions of the few rather than the clear out everyone knows we really need. Why not just put Derek Traynor in charge for the interim?
I said from day 1 that Keiron was never a coach and he isn't. That doesn't mean I don't still hold him in the highest regard from his legacy as a player but the person responsible for this whole bloody mess is McManus. His sheer obstinacy is becoming the biggest barrier to this Club ever becoming successful again and he's riding on the back of his, albeit undoubted, achievement with the Stadium. He needs to re-evaluate how he does his business because I for one am becoming well cheesed off with his arrogant, self satisfied, better than thou approach. His record in appointing coaches is, with only a couple of exceptions, bloody awful and if anyone else in his organisation demonstrated that repeated lack of competence and kept doing it he'd fire them.
There's an oft used saying in business circles in that 'there's nothing more dangerous than the man who thinks he's good at something, yet quite plainly isn't'.
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Sts should be on the phone to the likes of Wayne Bennett/Gus Gould to identify the next Maguire/Robinson. After the success they've had on becoming head coaches in the NRL (and Brown seems to be doing an OK job on a shoestring budget at the Knights), a head coach gig in SL might be seen as a genuine stepping stone to the NRL. As opposed to the past when most Aussie coaches were of the failed variety.
If you want entertainment BTW, the Walker brothers at Ipswich would be the way to go.
In my view this is one of the poorest aspects to today. No way should Long and Lolesi still be in post and the very fact that they are suggests to me that the next appointment will be a safe, insular thinking one, more intent on protecting the positions of the few rather than the clear out everyone knows we really need. Why not just put Derek Traynor in charge for the interim?
I said from day 1 that Keiron was never a coach and he isn't. That doesn't mean I don't still hold him in the highest regard from his legacy as a player but the person responsible for this whole bloody mess is McManus. His sheer obstinacy is becoming the biggest barrier to this Club ever becoming successful again and he's riding on the back of his, albeit undoubted, achievement with the Stadium. He needs to re-evaluate how he does his business because I for one am becoming well cheesed off with his arrogant, self satisfied, better than thou approach. His record in appointing coaches is, with only a couple of exceptions, bloody awful and if anyone else in his organisation demonstrated that repeated lack of competence and kept doing it he'd fire them.
There's an oft used saying in business circles in that 'there's nothing more dangerous than the man who thinks he's good at something, yet quite plainly isn't'.
You still have Cunningham era players/staff in place,they all wore the shirt with respect.Cunningham has a statue.I can see what your saying,just come out and say it.
atomic wrote:You still have Cunningham era players/staff in place,they all wore the shirt with respect.Cunningham has a statue.I can see what your saying,just come out and say it.
St pete wrote:I think it's a sad day for the club but a decision that needed to be done. It's not just the fact we don't win many these days buy it's the rugby we play. I'm not going ott here when I say we are probably the most boring club in English pro rugby. I hate watching us these days, it's just so so boring.
I still feel sad for KC tho as he's been at the club a long long time and he's still a legend in my eyes.
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Allez wrote:'Of'? You mean 'have'?
In my view this is one of the poorest aspects to today. No way should Long and Lolesi still be in post and the very fact that they are suggests to me that the next appointment will be a safe, insular thinking one, more intent on protecting the positions of the few rather than the clear out everyone knows we really need. Why not just put Derek Traynor in charge for the interim?
I said from day 1 that Keiron was never a coach and he isn't. That doesn't mean I don't still hold him in the highest regard from his legacy as a player but the person responsible for this whole bloody mess is McManus. His sheer obstinacy is becoming the biggest barrier to this Club ever becoming successful again and he's riding on the back of his, albeit undoubted, achievement with the Stadium. He needs to re-evaluate how he does his business because I for one am becoming well cheesed off with his arrogant, self satisfied, better than thou approach. His record in appointing coaches is, with only a couple of exceptions, bloody awful and if anyone else in his organisation demonstrated that repeated lack of competence and kept doing it he'd fire them.
There's an oft used saying in business circles in that 'there's nothing more dangerous than the man who thinks he's good at something, yet quite plainly isn't'.
Could ov been worse (see what I did there?)
I think you're doing Eammon a massive disservice if you think the only thing he achieved is the new stadium. Look a bit further back to the fact that he saved the club from certain extinction and took us to being the most successful club of the super league era. For long periods he was bankrolling the club from his own pocket while we were losing money hand over fist. Clearly we're in a bad position currently but slagging off the man who is responsible for the fact the club even exists is a bit harsh. He's a very successful business man and has made a huge amount of money, quite a bit more than either of us I suspect, so he clearly is good at something.
I've worked in a lot of businesses for a long time and I've never heard anyone use your oft used saying.
Personally, while I wanted KC out I'm not happy with who's currently in charge and I think the fact that they've left it like that means that they can appoint someone if the right person comes forward; I'd be surprised if they wait until the end of the season.
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Harry Pinner wrote:Could ov been worse (see what I did there?)
I think you're doing Eammon a massive disservice if you think the only thing he achieved is the new stadium. Look a bit further back to the fact that he saved the club from certain extinction and took us to being the most successful club of the super league era. For long periods he was bankrolling the club from his own pocket while we were losing money hand over fist. Clearly we're in a bad position currently but slagging off the man who is responsible for the fact the club even exists is a bit harsh. He's a very successful business man and has made a huge amount of money, quite a bit more than either of us I suspect, so he clearly is good at something.
I've worked in a lot of businesses for a long time and I've never heard anyone use your oft used saying.
Personally, while I wanted KC out I'm not happy with who's currently in charge and I think the fact that they've left it like that means that they can appoint someone if the right person comes forward; I'd be surprised if they wait until the end of the season.
Definitely spotted it .
I agree with everything you've said about Eamonn's past achievements but, whilst they are stellar, it doesn't give him the right to be afforded endless latitude for the numerous cock ups he's made with coaches. You could also argue that he hasn't covered himself in glory with the way the club interacts with fans and that was part of my point about him 'appearing' to come across as rather aloof and arrogant. I'd argue that business is is strength (as do you) but that the environment he's now operating in demands something very different. Sure he's a finance man, sure he's got acumen but can he run a rugby Club? It's different IMO and he has to be as accountable in his position as he's made KC in his. Otherwise what kind of culture is that?
I am not happy with the current setup either but I'd rather go with that than rush an appointment and risk it being another wrong one. Hats off to EM for at least being willng to take his time.
Anyway, I have moved on from the whole KC thing as it's done. I am just focusing on getting a surprise and walloping that shower on Friday
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