Exact same could be said about you. You're quick to call people myopic and don't bring any experience to the debate just "my opinion". Back it up if you can but I suspect you can't and you're just brainwashed.

It would be crazy to think an organisation as big as the NHS doesn't have significant opportunities for efficiency savings and improvements.

That is not to say it doesn't do a great job because for the most part it certainly does.

Perhaps if its customers didn't abuse it as much as they do then it could actually have a 2 hour window for A&E!!

Brainwashed? Nope, I just don't think the world owes me anything, is parting the moderator exam having to carry a Labour membership card?

All trusts make a massive effort to try and educate the public to "Choose well" when they decide where to go for medical assistance.

Despite that you always get people in A&E that shouldn't be there.

As for savings my own Trust has been making these for the past 7 years. We're in the middle of cutting £3m in 3 years.

Speaking for ourselves the fat is well and truly gone.

Your stereotypes are laughable.

One of the problems with big organisations is the ordering of consumables and supplies. More often than not, the person ordering doesn't know the true costs, nor do they care as it's not their money. We're living in an age where the relieving of our money is more aggressive than ever. Suppliers aren't here to do them a favour, they're here to make as much profit as they can. 'Big organisation has requested a price... think of a number... double it... put it in an official quote... hope they don't question it.'

I've worked on both sides and have seen it first hand. I've worked for a supplier who would add a third onto quotes for a large University and every time said Uni would just send over a purchase order. On the other side I've seen admin staff ordering letterheads for £1 each thinking that's what they must cost, and a supplier adding an extra £1000 profit on a job which should have cost around £300.

I'm sure the NHS has procurement procedures in place for this kind of thing but I'd hazard a guess they won't necessarily be getting the best value for money across the organisation.

Again, in your eyes. Thankfully the public don't agree, we're fed up of paying for you to push pens and go to meetings.

What the hell are you actually rambling about?

You persistently claim that there's no debating with certain people - without having tried.

Feel free to go back to any of my posts and respond with facts that constitute a debate - I'm quite happy to discuss. Here's a tip though - debate does not consist of calling someone stupid, labelling them a lefty, or saying that "we" are sick of your type.

Give it a go - you seem to feel that you have all the answers to the problems of society - enlighten us?

No point, you know everything, no point joining in. My comments are valid because they are true, let's imagine a country under Corbin shall we, fills people with dread because he, and the Labour Party are like a really bad circus who have forgotten the tent and are ignoring the Eleohants in the room.

Bye then.