Joined: Jul 06 2009 Posts: 9680 Location: Somewhere under the salary cap
Deus Dat Incrementum wrote:They either don't believe in the system and methods that they are being asked to carry out or just have lost respect for the coaches and each other.
There was a moment last night, may have been wigans 3rd try.. camera panned to the players under the posts. No one was saying anything... they were all just looking around in different directions avoiding eye contact with each other... A beaten team within the first 20 minutes. No fight, no heart, none of them bothered.
sirlesboyd wrote:Sack Tony Smith. Sack Tony Smith. I've never read such rubbish. We are 4 games into the season. Not 10, not halfway, not after the 23 regular season games. Just 4. The game we played 5 matches ago was at old Trafford in front of 70000 people to decide the best team in the league. We had already had a trip to Wembley and been within millimetres of victory and been presented with the league leaders shield.
Yet just 4 games later we have people calling for our coach to be sacked. For gods sake.
I agree that our back line is poor , especially without Ratchford, but the decision our coach made was to stick with what he had and to strengthen the pack. The way some people think that we should be able to just sign a quality back because we are a cash rich club is just laughable. If a superleague club has a quality back at the moment they hang on to them for their life. They are a very rare commodity. I'm sure if a top quality back had been available we would have been interested, maybe to the detriment of bringing in the 3 quality players to strengthen the pack.
I agree our form is awful. The league table doesn't lie. We aren't performing anywhere near our potential yet. We have a new half back who in 4 league games has had 3 different partners. We are searching for the right combinations but now is the time to do it.
This isn't blind faith in the club. It is faith based on 8 years of Tony Smiths coaching and management. A lot of people have very short memories. 4 trips to Wembley, 3 to Old Trafford , a couple of league leaders shields as well. Does that not merit some loyalty and belief in our processes.
So to quote a phrase that seems to have been forgotten
IN SMITH WE TRUST
yeah, we played that team again last night, look at the two seperate directions the two teams have gone since the grand final.
Joined: Aug 02 2008 Posts: 2570 Location: Going straight
Get a grip kids!
Wait until your a year down the line from winning the Treble, followed by the worst season for 20+ years and then start the new campaign with exactly the same culminating with your heaviest ever Super League defeat to your in form near country bumpkin neighbours and STILL no sign of your clueless head coach being replaced.
You lot don't know you've ever been born!
[watching Mackay testing the curry in the prison kitchens] Fletcher: Course, he sees 'imself as an authority on curry, he does, on account of where he was stationed in the army. Rudge: Where? India? Fletcher: No, Bradford.
Joined: Jul 17 2015 Posts: 4676 Location: Sitting on the naughty step
As soon as I saw the team and in particular the bench I had a fair idea what was coming. The Wigan debutants on the wing, our lad at scrum half, only 2 front line props, a bench that would be considered lightweight under any circumstances. And I don't know what the question is but the answer is not Matty Blythe. Throw in a lack of confidence and last night was entirely predictable. I'm not concerned that we will be involved in a relegation dog fight, but our best bet for silverware this year is the Challenge Cup, too much ground lost too early for anything else. On a positive note, I think Lineham is a different player this season (in a good way).
Just my opinions unless it's a FACT, in which case it's a fact.
The knives have been out for Smith for a while now, hence the '2017 and Tony Smith' thread that has been ongoing before a ball had even been kicked in 2017.
Look, we've got some really big frailties, ones that have been evident for a while now and haven't been addressed. Can I honestly see us getting out of this current slump? Based on our Brisbane performance, I'd say yes we've certainly got it in us. However, based on our first four Super League games, I'm not so sure. There aren't a lot of positives to take at the moment, are there?
Will we improve when we've got Hill and Ratchford back? Will we look better with Toby King and Penny on the right rather than Russell and Evans? I'd say yes to both, but we need to buck up and quick otherwise our season could be over before it's really begun.
Smith won't get sacked, I feel he's fire proof in Simon Moran's eyes. The only way he'll go is if he resigned, but that's just my opinion.
Like him or loathe him, he deserves respect for what he's done for the club and for what he's achieved, even though he's come up short in us reaching our ultimate goal. I'm willing to give him a bit more time to turn things round and if he can't then something obviously has to give.
Regardless of what the future holds, I think the bloke deserves a bit more respect than being called a cretin, a chancer and a bluff merchant amongst others that he's been called on here since last nights gane.
2 Super League Leaders Shields • 9 RFL Challenge Cups
3 League Championships • 1 League Leaders Trophy • 1 Premiership Trophy • 1 Club Championship Trophy • 4 Regal Trophies • 1 Captain Morgan Trophy • 1 Floodlit Trophy • 8 Lancashire League Titles • 9 Lancashire Cups
I don't think 8 years of failing to win the grand final and now losing patience and confidence in smiths ability to deliver it given the team and the recent performances we are no closer to winning it this year than we were when he took over, he inherited a great core of players who with a few additions looked very good and if we had won a gf who knows could have been the catalyst to a period of winning grand finals and being able to attract better players however that did not happen and we are now left with what we have
how anybody can defend the team and smith after last nights performance is beyond belief and to imply those unhappy with smith are over reacting is farcical harping back to winning a cc a few years back now lets ignore that at every opportunity to win the grand final we have lost
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