Post subject: Re: Friendly | Hunslet RLFC v Leeds Rhinos
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:29 pm
Juan Cornetto
Player Coach
Joined: Aug 09 2008 Posts: 4934 Location: Living the Dream
Sal Paradise wrote:You simply cannot help yourself - but there you go.
I suggest you watch his press conferences more closely - on Sky he never looks at the interviewer which I have always thought very strange.
His outburst at press conferences when it is suggested he might have got something wrong are bizarre for a senior coach. This Boxing Day "It was only an opposed training run" is an example. "These players are all warriors" so its ok!!
His consistent use of "Outside of our control" last year in virtually every press conference until August was very odd. Perhaps a dialogue of how things are going to improve would have been more appropriate?
As usual the point I was trying to make was lost on you - you cannot push against the tide. If all the really talented kids now have agents you can't exclude those kids and expect to sign the very best talent. The world is changing - if I had a very talented kid I would want him to get the best deal out there and I would suggest a good agent or solicitor as Sinfield/McGuire use will get a better deal than a lone parent.
McDermott needs to realise kids have options and they will stick two fingers up to such an authoritarian approach as his. What works in the army doesn't always translate to the outside world. His views are very insular and lack the experience of the operating outside of the very controlled environment of the Army and RL.
As for his success - he manages the club with the biggest resources in the league and he has got to one GF in the last 4 years. Last year he managed that resource into the middle 8's - I will leave it at that.
I think McDermott comes over as an honest sort who sticks by his players. History has shown that there were important matters "outside of our control" last season including an ongoing terrible injury situation, a serious loss of form by many experienced players including Watkins & Hardaker, a badly disrupted pre-season and the Hardaker off field problems disrupting the dressing room.
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Post subject: Re: Friendly | Hunslet RLFC v Leeds Rhinos
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:37 pm
Sal Paradise
International Chairman
Joined: Feb 27 2002 Posts: 18072 Location: On the road
ThePrinter wrote:He doesn't look at the interviewer much but that's not anything really, some people aren't as comfortable on camera or with a microphone in their face, Tony Smith is another.
Not going to deny he has his moody moments in interviews, but in reality so do pretty much most coaches in RL, Wane, Cunningham, Powell. Anderson to name a few all have their moments. Also in other sports, Pep Guardiola post match interview last week caught a lot of headlines.
Those on here that are most critical of the way he conducts himself......god I can only imagine what they'd be like in the same situation in a press conference with someone suggesting they were wrong, likelihood would be they were much worst than McDermott based on what goes on on here with difference of opinions.
That's not even what he said.
Facing the media is something he does every week - its part of his job - during the season so he should be pretty comfortable by now surely?
Most of us have other people reviewing our work and we have to justify the decisions we make and the correctness of those decisions. Its pretty normal for anyone with a senior role. Rather than accept the validity of the question e.g. "Brian given you were down to 14 men do you think not using the two subs could have contributed to the loss of the game" not an unreasonable question from a genuine journo - he goes off on one - classic deflection away from his own failings. Probably could have done with a bit of press support after that debacle!!.
Semantics - William has directly quote his nonsense after the Boxing Day game.
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Post subject: Re: Friendly | Hunslet RLFC v Leeds Rhinos
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:52 pm
William Eve
Player Coach
Joined: Oct 07 2005 Posts: 4938
ThePrinter wrote:He actually said "it's ALMOST like a public training run"
I'm aware the effort and performance on Boxing Day wasn't even worthy of classification 'Public Training Run', hence the ALMOST. At least McDermott was honest in his assessment.
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Post subject: Re: Friendly | Hunslet RLFC v Leeds Rhinos
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 12:53 pm
ThePrinter
Player Coach
Joined: Sep 12 2010 Posts: 11412 Location: Behind the picket fence on the grassy knoll in Dealey Plaza, Dallas, Texas.
Sal Paradise wrote:Facing the media is something he does every week - its part of his job - during the season so he should be pretty comfortable by now surely?
Well TBF he's improved a lot since 2011 when he was really uncomfortable but it might never be a comfortable thing for someone to do regardless if they've done it numerous times. It's like some singers say they still nervous a performance even though they've been doing it decades, just one of those things. Sinfield in interviews, you'd never think at times he could motivate and lead teams to the constant success we had with his leadership because often he was very bland.
Sal Paradise wrote:Most of us have other people reviewing our work and we have to justify the decisions we make and the correctness of those decisions. Its pretty normal for anyone with a senior role. Rather than accept the validity of the question e.g. "Brian given you were down to 14 men do you think not using the two subs could have contributed to the loss of the game" not an unreasonable question from a genuine journo - he goes off on one - classic deflection away from his own failings. Probably could have done with a bit of press support after that debacle!!.
Usually you'd be getting reviewed by a superior who may well have done that job. How many journalists have played or coached SL or any decent level? And yes he has moments he doesn't respond to questions well, but like I pointed, nearly every in sport is guilty of the same thing. The Guardiolo one I mentioned and only 5/6 games before winning the GF, Wane stormed out of a post match press conference when he was grilled after they lost 8-6 to Widnes. It happened throughout sport, no reason to make out as if McDermott is somehow on his own with his reactions when he has them especially when they're plenty of well responsed ones.
Sal Paradise wrote:Semantics - William has directly quote his nonsense after the Boxing Day game.
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He partly quoted it but left out a key part. You can call it semantics but in a discussion about what McDermott says, I think it's quite important to actually quote him correctly I would say.
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Post subject: Re: Friendly | Hunslet RLFC v Leeds Rhinos
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 1:54 pm
Sal Paradise
International Chairman
Joined: Feb 27 2002 Posts: 18072 Location: On the road
ThePrinter wrote:Well TBF he's improved a lot since 2011 when he was really uncomfortable but it might never be a comfortable thing for someone to do regardless if they've done it numerous times. It's like some singers say they still nervous a performance even though they've been doing it decades, just one of those things. Sinfield in interviews, you'd never think at times he could motivate and lead teams to the constant success we had with his leadership because often he was very bland.
Usually you'd be getting reviewed by a superior who may well have done that job. How many journalists have played or coached SL or any decent level? And yes he has moments he doesn't respond to questions well, but like I pointed, nearly every in sport is guilty of the same thing. The Guardiolo one I mentioned and only 5/6 games before winning the GF, Wane stormed out of a post match press conference when he was grilled after they lost 8-6 to Widnes. It happened throughout sport, no reason to make out as if McDermott is somehow on his own with his reactions when he has them especially when they're plenty of well responsed ones.
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He partly quoted it but left out a key part. You can call it semantics but in a discussion about what McDermott says, I think it's quite important to actually quote him correctly I would say.
Most MDs have little specific experience of the roles undertaken by people they are managing - they will have deep knowledge of one role usually finance or sales - so I would suggest that is not a pre-requiste of being able to ask appropriate questions.
The majority of the journalists McDermott encounters are professionals with a very comprehensive knowledge of the game. You will always get stroppy interviewees that is the nature of things but most are objective when answering the questions - McDermott is just plain obtuse - no wonder given the performances his teams put in the vast majority of the time.
William quoted the jist/essence of what McDermott said i.e. I didn't really want to be here and quite frankly the result/entertainment is of little concern to me.
Your job is to say to yourself on a job interview does the hiring manager likes me or not. If you aren't a particular manager's cup of tea, you haven't failed -- you've dodged a bullet.
Post subject: Re: Friendly | Hunslet RLFC v Leeds Rhinos
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:37 pm
loiner81
Club Coach
Joined: Dec 16 2004 Posts: 3479
Sal Paradise wrote:You simply cannot help yourself - but there you go.
I suggest you watch his press conferences more closely - on Sky he never looks at the interviewer which I have always thought very strange.
His outburst at press conferences when it is suggested he might have got something wrong are bizarre for a senior coach. This Boxing Day "It was only an opposed training run" is an example. "These players are all warriors" so its ok!!
His consistent use of "Outside of our control" last year in virtually every press conference until August was very odd. Perhaps a dialogue of how things are going to improve would have been more appropriate?
As usual the point I was trying to make was lost on you - you cannot push against the tide. If all the really talented kids now have agents you can't exclude those kids and expect to sign the very best talent. The world is changing - if I had a very talented kid I would want him to get the best deal out there and I would suggest a good agent or solicitor as Sinfield/McGuire use will get a better deal than a lone parent.
McDermott needs to realise kids have options and they will stick two fingers up to such an authoritarian approach as his. What works in the army doesn't always translate to the outside world. His views are very insular and lack the experience of the operating outside of the very controlled environment of the Army and RL.
As for his success - he manages the club with the biggest resources in the league and he has got to one GF in the last 4 years. Last year he managed that resource into the middle 8's - I will leave it at that.
I've watched his press conferences since day one, thanks. He's not the only sports coach/manager who doesn't look at the camera, Tony Smith in RL immediately springs to mind, not that it matters one jot.
So, on to these "outbursts" Are you saying his comment about Boxing Day being a "public training run" was an outburst? If you are then I suggest it's you who needs to watch his press conferences a little more closely, or whilst sober. I can't really remember any outbursts TBH, maybe his dig at the refs in Catalans to the Sky camera and one other. Maybe you could enlighten us all with a list of some Sal? And I mean you Sal, not your minder William.
Yes he said "out of our control" many times. He was right. Hardaker's meltdown, injuries, lack of training facilites were all out of the club's control weren't they??? or do you dispute that too? Go on, you know you want to.
So we've moved on from saying he only won stuff because of Sinfield/Peacock have we? It's now because he manages Leeds? erm... OK
Gotcha in 2016 wrote:McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.
Post subject: Re: Friendly | Hunslet RLFC v Leeds Rhinos
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2017 2:39 pm
loiner81
Club Coach
Joined: Dec 16 2004 Posts: 3479
Sal Paradise wrote:William quoted the jist/essence of what McDermott said i.e. I didn't really want to be here and quite frankly the result/entertainment is of little concern to me.
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Gotcha in 2016 wrote:McDermott is going. I actually think he is more relaxed because of it, and seems to have let the shackles go. He apparently asked to finish the season, and that is what they agreed.
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