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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:32 pm 
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Jake the Peg wrote:Which 7?



Roberts Gale Milner Cook Holmes Patrick Lynch . Suppose an argument could be made for 1 of the other to be winger but I reckon Minikin / Eden will be the starting wingers.






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 Post subject: Re: V Cas
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:53 pm 
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Jake the Peg wrote:They aren't all 1st choice players though are they


Yeah, they are. Hitchcox was in the first team before getting injured last year, hence why we brought Flynn in. And he's got a bigger part to play now Solomona has left.

As for the others:

Monaghan -> Minikin
Roberts -> Chase
Gale -> Tom Holmes
Lynch -> Springer (Springer to bench)
Milner -> Subs bench
Cook -> Massey (Millington to 13)
Holmes -> McMeeken
Patrick -> Subs bench:

Line-up for me: Hardaker, Eden, Shenton, Webster, Monaghan, Roberts, Gale, Lynch, McShane, Cook, Holmes, Sene-Lefao, Millington

Bench: Moors, Patrick, Springer, Milner

That's with Minikin, Hitchcox, McMeeken, Tom Holmes, Massey, Chase, Douglas, and a couple of others in back-up.

One thing Cas have done is built a solid squad. Not over spent on first 17 but spread the money across 24/25 Super League players.






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PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 8:57 pm 
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Mrs Barista wrote:There's obviously some exaggeration at play here but whilst we were missing 11 of our starting 13 perhaps you were missing 5 or so? Stick Fonua, Taylor, Houghton, Ellis, Shaul and Mini in there (picked 6 at random, just all happen to be in the Dream Team) and possibly there may have been a narrower margin. Not sure Radford got what he wanted today in any respect as apparently he's playing this reserve team again against Rovers. :wink:


Yeah, I don't think we're arguing that the two teams were a difference apart just that neither was full strength. We had more experience and more first teamers out there, which showed in terms of strength, control and domination.

But we also had a few young kids on show and some of our more senior players (like Webster) did start coming off after 30 mins in the game too.

Don't think anyone expects the SL fixture to be that one-sided. And if it is, I'll be elated :D






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Let's just say that the league fixture won't be the same score! See ya later in the season.

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 Post subject: Re: V Cas
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 10:43 pm 
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Fully wrote:Yeah, they are. Hitchcox was in the first team before getting injured last year, hence why we brought Flynn in. And he's got a bigger part to play now Solomona has left.

As for the others:

Monaghan -> Minikin
Roberts -> Chase
Gale -> Tom Holmes
Lynch -> Springer (Springer to bench)
Milner -> Subs bench
Cook -> Massey (Millington to 13)
Holmes -> McMeeken
Patrick -> Subs bench:

Line-up for me: Hardaker, Eden, Shenton, Webster, Monaghan, Roberts, Gale, Lynch, McShane, Cook, Holmes, Sene-Lefao, Millington

Bench: Moors, Patrick, Springer, Milner

That's with Minikin, Hitchcox, McMeeken, Tom Holmes, Massey, Chase, Douglas, and a couple of others in back-up.

One thing Cas have done is built a solid squad. Not over spent on first 17 but spread the money across 24/25 Super League players.


£10 that those 8 won't be in the 17 for your 1st game of the season






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Jake the Peg wrote:£10 that those 8 won't be in the 17 for your 1st game of the season


Normally I'd agree with these straw arguments, but those 8 were in our first choice 13 last year.

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 Post subject: Re: V Cas
PostPosted: Mon Dec 26, 2016 11:23 pm 
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Re Radford improving Griffin's defence, Fonua continued to struggle defensively all season, Logan was dropped on the back of defence and Talanoa is still a liability and Shaul is still not effective on his own line (elsewhere brilliant) We've conceded more points under Radford on average than under the previous coach and last season we were exposed far too often down the same side throughout so I'm really not sure what Radford can do with respect to any defensive frailties.
Where the results turned around were in attack, if we are going to play the 'Brazil' way of just scoring more than the opposition and not stress too much about defence then that's fine so long as the results keep coming in but I really want to see some improvement defensively.

Friendlies this early are virtually meaningless in the grand scheme results wise, trying to justify the score line with bickering about how many were out/not out from the opposition is ridiculous. It is what it is, getting players on the pitch as part of a build up is the aim no more.

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Jake the Peg wrote:£10 that those 8 won't be in the 17 for your 1st game of the season


All 8? I'd say that Gale is a cert, so that rules out that bet.

Well anything can happen in friendlies. Monaghan was injured a lot last season so whether Powell will risk him or not is a different matter. His experience will be invaluable though.






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knockersbumpMKII wrote:Re Radford improving Griffin's defence, Fonua continued to struggle defensively all season, Logan was dropped on the back of defence and Talanoa is still a liability and Shaul is still not effective on his own line (elsewhere brilliant) We've conceded more points under Radford on average than under the previous coach and last season we were exposed far too often down the same side throughout so I'm really not sure what Radford can do with respect to any defensive frailties.
Where the results turned around were in attack, if we are going to play the 'Brazil' way of just scoring more than the opposition and not stress too much about defence then that's fine so long as the results keep coming in but I really want to see some improvement defensively.

Friendlies this early are virtually meaningless in the grand scheme results wise, trying to justify the score line with bickering about how many were out/not out from the opposition is ridiculous. It is what it is, getting players on the pitch as part of a build up is the aim no more.


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I knew before I opened this thread that it'd be a tit-for-tat argument about how many first team players each side had playing. Should've known better - it happens every season after pretty much every friendly game.






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