Exiled down south wrote:Have you ever considered that trains tend to go both ways?
Well of course. They have to come up to Leeds & other places to pick people up to take them to London haven't they?
This isn't a network being built, it's a line. A line running to London that will primarily benefit London. I get the Leeds to Kings Cross regularly (and the other way), at various times throughout the day. The train to KC from Leeds in a morning is rammed. The train coming in the opposite direction from KC to Leeds is nice & comfortable and a lot quieter.
Do a search on the Trainline website: https://www.thetrainline.com/ Tomorrow, Leeds to KC departing at 8:17, £113. KC to Leeds departing at 8:35, £62.50. Flip those to 5pm when people are returning back North and you see the same: 5:03pm to KC from Leeds, £113. Leeds to KC, 5:17pm, £62.50.
That's just one example. It's supply and demand. Yes, of course trains go both ways, but one journey is a lot busier than the other, and ultimately that's why we're saying the HS2 investment will predominantly benefit the city of London. The demand in people coming to Leeds may go up after HS2, but it'll be in proportion to demand also going up for people travelling to London.
Exiled down south wrote:Have you ever considered that trains tend to go both ways?
Well of course. They have to come up to Leeds & other places to pick people up to take them to London haven't they?
This isn't a network being built, it's a line. A line running to London that will primarily benefit London. I get the Leeds to Kings Cross regularly (and the other way), at various times throughout the day. The train to KC from Leeds in a morning is rammed. The train coming in the opposite direction from KC to Leeds is nice & comfortable and a lot quieter.
Do a search on the Trainline website: https://www.thetrainline.com/ Tomorrow, Leeds to KC departing at 8:17, £113. KC to Leeds departing at 8:35, £62.50. Flip those to 5pm when people are returning back North and you see the same: 5:03pm to KC from Leeds, £113. Leeds to KC, 5:17pm, £62.50.
That's just one example. It's supply and demand. Yes, of course trains go both ways, but one journey is a lot busier than the other, and ultimately that's why we're saying the HS2 investment will predominantly benefit the city of London. The demand in people coming to Leeds may go up after HS2, but it'll be in proportion to demand also going up for people travelling to London.
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Quote:This isn't a network being built, it's a line. A line running to London that will primarily benefit London. I get the Leeds to Kings Cross regularly (and the other way), at various times throughout the day. The train to KC from Leeds in a morning is rammed. The train coming in the opposite direction from KC to Leeds is nice & comfortable and a lot quieter.
So eventually everyone from Leeds ends up in London.
Isn't the plan to develop the Northern powerhouse and as such get those lost people to come the other way and faster. Or is change not allowed?
What HS 2 will achieve is becoming a rich persons commuter train , high flyers will be able to sell or rent their expensive London apartments and move further north working from home 3 days a week , just nipping into ' town ' for a couple of days
As I said earlier a minuscule % of those using the roads currently will ever step foot on a HS 2 train
What should happen is the government should reduce the cost of owning a car , but increase the cost of using it
GUBRATS wrote:As I said earlier a minuscule % of those using the roads currently will ever step foot on a HS 2 train
In a rare moment of congruence, absolutely correct; using it once a year to travel from Leeds to London to gawk at some clocks and bridges is hardly sufficient justification for your average Northern Monkey to get all excited about HS2.
Your next point is nonsensical - the government should not do anything more to increase the cost of using a car; that's just further hammering the average joe trying to get to work. What they should do, is reduce the necessity of using the thing, by investing in a transport network that provides a viable alternative.
A suggestion given we've now voted to leave the EU , instead of repatriating foreign nationals can we instead send back all black Audi's imported into Britain , and their Moron drivers as well , this morning at 5 past 7 driving over Thelwall viaduct on the southbound M6 , in fog with overhead signs warning of roads being salted due to black ice , one of these complete d1ckheads past me at around 100 miles an hour , I'd also send back most of the Volkswagen golf drivers as well
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There was a letter in the IMechE newsletter that sums up my views; If I want to get to London 20 minutes earlier I'll get an earlier train, not spend £50billion.
That being said, we do need more trains. Richard Branson can't tweet images of free seats for all of us.
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the cal train wrote:There was a letter in the IMechE newsletter that sums up my views; If I want to get to London 20 minutes earlier I'll get an earlier train, not spend £50billion.
That being said, we do need more trains. Richard Branson can't tweet images of free seats for all of us.
Totally agree, or better still invest in the infrastructure here that will 'allow' me to leave home twenty minutes 'later' to get on the original train and by way of explanation it's not use cutting twenty minutes from in my case Piccadilly to Euston if the standard journey time from home to Piccadilly of say half an hour can't be relied upon and takes me an hour.
In short invest in the north, get it working and then link it up......possibly
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