Pre season has certainly I think had an influence on the fitness levels but putting it totally down to smith who left around early March. That's 1/3 of a year ago now is stretching it now.
No doubt he set some foundations but the praise for our recent fitness should go down to those at the club and the players who have been there and are clearly still working hard to make it happen.
He may have given the players and club more of a professional foundation it seems but the people here now are obviously doing something right. Whether that's following or using some of the ideas smith brought but with their own twist who knows.
Smith will be getting the praise if we get to Wembley at this point. This is Chesters team and he has had much more success than smith did, whatever the reasons.
I think we have carried on already and Chester will have made his own modifications which appear to have worked.
The pre-season was probably the hardest any of the players have had and I'm sure there are plans in place to have another tough pre-season with more emphasis on making it a bit more engaging with the players.
Adam_Harrison9 wrote:Scruton had least metres apart from Ashurst, most missed tackles, least carries and most errors out of prop forwards. Still don't get the hype.
Yes got to admit when I saw some of the comments it made me raise an eye but hey we won.
Looking at those stats though sort of confirmed what I thought, (although they don't always tell you everything) that as far as the forwards, Fifita gave us the best go forward 15 carries for 108 meters, not as many tackles as some but didn't miss any. Scruton just 9 carries for 52 meters.
Scott Moore obviously the stand out there, also Arona had a good all around game. Hall, Tupou & Miller in the backs. Ashurst tackled well as usual as did Molloy
Adam_Harrison9 wrote:Scruton had least metres apart from Ashurst, most missed tackles, least carries and most errors out of prop forwards. Still don't get the hype.
Yes got to admit when I saw some of the comments it made me raise an eye but hey we won.
Looking at those stats though sort of confirmed what I thought, (although they don't always tell you everything) that as far as the forwards, Fifita gave us the best go forward 15 carries for 108 meters, not as many tackles as some but didn't miss any. Scruton just 9 carries for 52 meters.
Scott Moore obviously the stand out there, also Arona had a good all around game. Hall, Tupou & Miller in the backs. Ashurst tackled well as usual as did Molloy
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Stats are interesting but not necessarily the whole story. Metres made an be dependent on the passes you get and in what position. Also how the coach sees your role. If you come on as an impact sub then you can be running against tired opposition etc. etc.
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sandcat20 wrote:Stats are interesting but not necessarily the whole story. Metres made an be dependent on the passes you get and in what position. Also how the coach sees your role. If you come on as an impact sub then you can be running against tired opposition etc. etc.
Agreed. Will always remember sticking up for Ricky Bibey when he was with us. Always a starting prop, always made a good yards & always seemed to land on his belly with a reasonably quick play the ball....nothing flashy and stuck to what he was told to do.
Scruton is a funny one.....when he first signed I was well pleased but performances followed & they were patchy and questionable. However when he has a good game he can be one of the best props on the pitch and his scoring record for a front rower is pretty decent. A well liked and respected member of the team & I'd have no issues with him starting every week until he leaves for KR...
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Adam_Harrison9 wrote:Scruton had least metres apart from Ashurst, most missed tackles, least carries and most errors out of prop forwards. Still don't get the hype.
I think Ashurst is fatigued played a lot this season and always puts in a goodshift one of the few players id rest for Castleford.
Adam_Harrison9 wrote:Scruton had least metres apart from Ashurst, most missed tackles, least carries and most errors out of prop forwards. Still don't get the hype.
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Adam_Harrison9 wrote:Scruton had least metres apart from Ashurst, most missed tackles, least carries and most errors out of prop forwards. Still don't get the hype.
You really are hung up on stats, why don't you go on what you actually see - you might actually enjoy the game.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Adam_Harrison9 wrote:Scruton had least metres apart from Ashurst, most missed tackles, least carries and most errors out of prop forwards. Still don't get the hype.
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vastman wrote:You really are hung up on stats, why don't you go on what you actually see - you might actually enjoy the game.
"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics."
Ah Vasty. The point of stats is to tell you the story about what you don't see. You only have to read comments from the people on here watching the same game and how different their opinions can be. Stats are factual. They cannot be contested. The lies and damn lies are the conclusions you take from the stats. Watch "Moneyball". It's a good film about sport but it explains why stats are important.
Opinion can easily be swayed by what you see because you can't watch every player on the field and you can't possibly keep track of the cumulative effect of their effort.
If it were possible I would have a tablet/iPod with me at the game popping up the stats as I watch. I want to see flowing rugby and skills but if you want to know how the "arm wrestle" as they call it these days is going, you'll benefit from seeing the stats. As a coach you would be coaching at 50% without stats.
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Going back to Scrutton, in the grand scheme of things, it matters little what his stats were on Saturday. We won the game, against all odds and the guy got a full game of rugby under his belt and he'll be better for it (assuming he hasn't picked up a knock) If he plays against Cas and comes through the game ok, Scrutton will be a major asset against Warrington.
He probably has more "big game" experience than anyone else in the squad, having won a GF and WCC so, regardless of his stats at the weekend, he's a player that we want, fit and raring to go.
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