Post subject: Re: Hull KR thrashed, condemned to 2 years without Derby win
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 8:06 am
Sam94
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Joined: Jul 12 2016 Posts: 125
ComeOnYouUll wrote:Excellent display from Hull. Very dominant. I'm a little disappointed that we conceded a couple of tries although like all desparate teams Rovers were throwing the ball around.
Particularly pleased with our defence though, very solid for the most part.
Great to be back on top, let's hope for a Leeds win tonight. Also great to again condemn that lot to the middle eights. May they not return.
Stutterbugs Cockerton will be choking on his cornflakes
Post subject: Re: Hull KR thrashed, condemned to 2 years without Derby win
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:11 am
Sam94
Club Captain
Joined: Jul 12 2016 Posts: 125
Hullfc-white wrote:Hdm run story today to recall 1980 Wembley win..haha just how desperate are they getting??
Charlie Muggins doing his usual poor attempt at Journalistic fishing .
The article is about Rovers famous victory over Hull FC in 1980, with the Robins romping in with a famous 10-5 victory . However the picture is of Allan Agar with little Johnny & Richard ( Richard going on to coach Hull FC ) was taken after Featherstone Rovers beat Hull FC 14–12 at Wembley in 1983 . poor by Guinness loving Charlie Muggins , or is it a deliberate mistake to goad the Hull fans ?.
Thus meaning Hull FC been beat twice at Wembley by the Rovers . First getting beat by 5 points in 1980 points then beat by 2 points in 1983 .
Post subject: Re: Hull KR thrashed, condemned to 2 years without Derby win
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 10:33 am
Mrs Barista
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Sam94 wrote:Charlie Muggins doing his usual poor attempt at Journalistic fishing .
The article is about Rovers famous victory over Hull FC in 1980, with the Robins romping in with a famous 10-5 victory . However the picture is of Allan Agar with little Johnny & Richard ( Richard going on to coach Hull FC ) was taken after Featherstone Rovers beat Hull FC 14–12 at Wembley in 1983 . poor by Guinness loving Charlie Muggins , or is it a deliberate mistake to goad the Hull fans ?.
Thus meaning Hull FC been beat twice at Wembley by the Rovers . First getting beat by 5 points in 1980 points then beat by 2 points in 1983 .
We're top of the league and still in the cup, raking up a story nearly 40 years old, yet again, is totemic of mindset. As Neil Hudgell once said, when it suited, the season should be about the here and now and anything else is selling the fans short. On that basis I can't see him doing an article teasing about the new coach for next year then. Unless the fans are "empty vessels".
Post subject: Re: Hull KR thrashed, condemned to 2 years without Derby win
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:11 am
Sam94
Club Captain
Joined: Jul 12 2016 Posts: 125
Mrs Barista wrote:We're top of the league and still in the cup, raking up a story nearly 40 years old, yet again, is totemic of mindset. As Neil Hudgell once said, when it suited, the season should be about the here and now and anything else is selling the fans short. On that basis I can't see him doing an article teasing about the new coach for next year then. Unless the fans are "empty vessels".
Over the last 10 years of Super League our average league position has been 8th place, this has been broadly matched by our support base, facilities and financial health. All things being equal we are sitting at or about our natural level for now
However, the last set of RFL benchmark reporting showed that our off field operation has just risen to around 6th in the league. Clearly we would like those two metrics to rise in tandem. Whilst we made a profit last year on the back of Wembley, we forecast a significant loss again this year, next year and the year after. The directors will continue to underwrite this, see point 9.
2- Goldfish bowl
I'll say it again, Hull is a goldfish bowl for media scrutiny, and consequently there is an artificial pressure to over perform beyond realistic expectations. Our city rivals performing well only serves to crank up those expectations. When these are not met this leads to intense criticism fuelled by deep seated disappointment at being second best.
3- The unpalatable truth
Credit where it's due, Hull FC have recruited better than anyone this year. Thursday night showed passion and enthusiasm is not enough when one side plays to its potential. I believe their success is based mostly on changes made 2/3 years ago which are now bearing fruit. It is not that long ago they were feeling the pain we are currently experiencing.
4- Over achieving
We want to over achieve, being at our natural level doesn't excite me. We are having to make changes now, for a better future. Step one was bringing in Jamie Peacock, he is only just over six months into his role and the changes he is making are not quick fixes, step two is appointing an experienced and respected coach.
5- What's gone wrong?
We aren't where we want to be this year. Why? In my opinion, 30% was an awful pre-season, 40% is on-going injuries to a large number of players, and within that group many of our key players, 20% historic poor long term recruitment, 10% bad luck.
6- What we need to do to correct this?
A more experienced coach who can extract more from the current playing group. Better value for money from recruitment. Continuing investment in youth. I was delighted to hear the City of Hull Academy got an 'Outstanding' grading yesterday by the way, we will bear the fruits of that in the medium to long term.
7- Life in the Qualifiers
Being in the "middle 8s" is a huge handicap in recruitment at all levels. It is difficult to commit both ways until we can 100% guarantee our league position. The current system favours the established elite and does nothing to spread the talent or strengthen the 12 as a collective.
8- No news isn't always no news!
I'm hearing a lot of criticism for the 'lack of positive news', we're not going to create news or spin for the sake of it, we're an honest club, we don't live on hype or false promises. We have an "in principle" deal agreed with a new head coach, much like player recruitment, when our league position is 100% confirmed our full plans for 2017 will become apparent.
9- Healthy debate welcomed
On a personal level, I am first and foremost a supporter. I am under no obligation to continue underwriting Hull KR. I am quite happy and wiling to engage and indeed welcome meaningful debate with fellow supporters. I won't though take personal abuse or have my motives questioned. Especially by the handful of empty vessels who have done nothing constructive other than throw out gratuitous insults. My message to them is that the jobs yours any time you want it, but I'm sure you won't, as you haven't the balls to do it
10- And finally
We need you more than ever! - We are now in the Super League Qualifiers again and in a fight for our Super League future. Now more than ever we need our support behind us, which again it was right to the bitter end on Thursday night. Let's turn up in numbers on Thursday against Leeds and show the doubters we're ready to fight for every last point to secure that extra home game in the 'middle 8'.
Mrs Barista wrote:We're top of the league and still in the cup, raking up a story nearly 40 years old, yet again, is totemic of mindset. As Neil Hudgell once said, when it suited, the season should be about the here and now and anything else is selling the fans short. On that basis I can't see him doing an article teasing about the new coach for next year then. Unless the fans are "empty vessels".
Over the last 10 years of Super League our average league position has been 8th place, this has been broadly matched by our support base, facilities and financial health. All things being equal we are sitting at or about our natural level for now
However, the last set of RFL benchmark reporting showed that our off field operation has just risen to around 6th in the league. Clearly we would like those two metrics to rise in tandem. Whilst we made a profit last year on the back of Wembley, we forecast a significant loss again this year, next year and the year after. The directors will continue to underwrite this, see point 9.
2- Goldfish bowl
I'll say it again, Hull is a goldfish bowl for media scrutiny, and consequently there is an artificial pressure to over perform beyond realistic expectations. Our city rivals performing well only serves to crank up those expectations. When these are not met this leads to intense criticism fuelled by deep seated disappointment at being second best.
3- The unpalatable truth
Credit where it's due, Hull FC have recruited better than anyone this year. Thursday night showed passion and enthusiasm is not enough when one side plays to its potential. I believe their success is based mostly on changes made 2/3 years ago which are now bearing fruit. It is not that long ago they were feeling the pain we are currently experiencing.
4- Over achieving
We want to over achieve, being at our natural level doesn't excite me. We are having to make changes now, for a better future. Step one was bringing in Jamie Peacock, he is only just over six months into his role and the changes he is making are not quick fixes, step two is appointing an experienced and respected coach.
5- What's gone wrong?
We aren't where we want to be this year. Why? In my opinion, 30% was an awful pre-season, 40% is on-going injuries to a large number of players, and within that group many of our key players, 20% historic poor long term recruitment, 10% bad luck.
6- What we need to do to correct this?
A more experienced coach who can extract more from the current playing group. Better value for money from recruitment. Continuing investment in youth. I was delighted to hear the City of Hull Academy got an 'Outstanding' grading yesterday by the way, we will bear the fruits of that in the medium to long term.
7- Life in the Qualifiers
Being in the "middle 8s" is a huge handicap in recruitment at all levels. It is difficult to commit both ways until we can 100% guarantee our league position. The current system favours the established elite and does nothing to spread the talent or strengthen the 12 as a collective.
8- No news isn't always no news!
I'm hearing a lot of criticism for the 'lack of positive news', we're not going to create news or spin for the sake of it, we're an honest club, we don't live on hype or false promises. We have an "in principle" deal agreed with a new head coach, much like player recruitment, when our league position is 100% confirmed our full plans for 2017 will become apparent.
9- Healthy debate welcomed
On a personal level, I am first and foremost a supporter. I am under no obligation to continue underwriting Hull KR. I am quite happy and wiling to engage and indeed welcome meaningful debate with fellow supporters. I won't though take personal abuse or have my motives questioned. Especially by the handful of empty vessels who have done nothing constructive other than throw out gratuitous insults. My message to them is that the jobs yours any time you want it, but I'm sure you won't, as you haven't the balls to do it
10- And finally
We need you more than ever! - We are now in the Super League Qualifiers again and in a fight for our Super League future. Now more than ever we need our support behind us, which again it was right to the bitter end on Thursday night. Let's turn up in numbers on Thursday against Leeds and show the doubters we're ready to fight for every last point to secure that extra home game in the 'middle 8'.
Post subject: Re: Hull KR thrashed, condemned to 2 years without Derby win
Posted: Sat Jul 16, 2016 11:17 am
Sam94
Club Captain
Joined: Jul 12 2016 Posts: 125
Christ on a bike ......."Especially by the handful of empty vessels who have done nothing constructive other than throw out gratuitous insults. My message to them is that the jobs yours any time you want it, but I'm sure you won't, as you haven't the balls to do it"
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