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Middleton_Loiner wrote:It's that Mac doesn't like Mitch more like. In Pre-Season he plays him at Prop (which isn't his position), then b0ll0cks him for not playing how he wants. Then he drops him from the team without an explanation.
Wouldn't b0ll0cking him for not playing how he wants be an explanation for dropping him?
Middleton_Lioner wrote:Mac got on with Sinfield and Peacock and nobody else.
Nonsense. They'll be players who don't get on with the coach (McDermott admitted a few years back that they'll be players in the dressing room that won't like him and I imagine that's the same for most coaches) but to say only Sinfield and Peacock got on with McDermott is stretching it when you consider the likes of JJB, McGuire, Ablett, Delaney etc. at the club and McDermott has always spoken well of and who are in his "favourites" club so to speak in terms of being picked and played long mins and trusted more than others.
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ThePrinter wrote:Wouldn't b0ll0cking him for not playing how he wants be an explanation for dropping him?
No. It's called constructing a Players exit by not playing him to his strengths.
ThePrinter wrote:Nonsense. They'll be players who don't get on with the coach (McDermott admitted a few years back that they'll be players in the dressing room that won't like him and I imagine that's the same for most coaches) but to say only Sinfield and Peacock got on with McDermott is stretching it when you consider the likes of JJB, McGuire, Ablett, Delaney etc. at the club and McDermott has always spoken well of and who are in his "favourites" club so to speak in terms of being picked and played long mins and trusted more than others.
Not nonsense at all. He's not a people person. He thinks hard graft is the answer to everything and people who don't "Fall in Line" are in his bad books. But it will never be made public knowledge & we could partake in P1ss1ng contest tennis all year, but it will get us nowhere. So lets leave it there.
Jamie Peacock MBE wrote:'There's been a couple of times during my career when I've thought about moving elsewhere but, when I run out in front of 17,000, 18,000 people at Headingley, I've thought 'nah, this is the place for me'.
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Middleton_Loiner wrote:No. It's called constructing a Players exit by not playing him to his strengths.
Players need to be flexible in RL and play other roles when needed. Ablett to centre in the past for example. Achurch had all the qualities to play prop except he didn't fancy it.
Middleton_Lioner wrote:He's not a people person. He thinks hard graft is the answer to everything and people who don't "Fall in Line" are in his bad books.
I don't disagree with that summary of him at all, he's even admitted in the past that he's never really been a people person, but to think ONLY Sinfield and Peacock got on with him when their's several other players who fall under his "hard graft is the answer" at the club is far fetched.
I know some players don't like him (some players didn't like Smith and McClennen too) and I know in some cases (Paul McShane) where they really had a bad relationship.
"The Golden Generation finally has its Golden Fleece! They have Wembley Cup Final winners medals to add to their collection."
ThePrinter wrote:Players need to be flexible in RL and play other roles when needed. Ablett to centre in the past for example. Achurch had all the qualities to play prop except he didn't fancy it.
I don't disagree with that summary of him at all, he's even admitted in the past that he's never really been a people person, but to think ONLY Sinfield and Peacock got on with him when their's several other players who fall under his "hard graft is the answer" at the club is far fetched.
I know some players don't like him (some players didn't like Smith and McClennen too) and I know in some cases (Paul McShane) where they really had a bad relationship.
It's just not going well in the Sheds is what I'll say, and something needs to change. Nobody more than me, hopes it's soon.
Jamie Peacock MBE wrote:'There's been a couple of times during my career when I've thought about moving elsewhere but, when I run out in front of 17,000, 18,000 people at Headingley, I've thought 'nah, this is the place for me'.
Backing Middleton_Loiner up - I've heard that last season only JP, Kev and Mags were on good terms with Brian, but even that changed when Kev announced his retirement. This year it's got worse with little communication from Brian to the players.
It's definitely believable given the stories we've heard over the years. If he really has lost the dressing room to this extent, it will be hard to get it back.
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D4mo78 wrote:Backing Middleton_Loiner up - I've heard that last season only JP, Kev and Mags were on good terms with Brian, but even that changed when Kev announced his retirement. This year it's got worse with little communication from Brian to the players.
It's definitely believable given the stories we've heard over the years. If he really has lost the dressing room to this extent, it will be hard to get it back.
i'm doubtful myself on this story as a whole, but there is certainly some truth there, he did invest a lot of trust in Sinfield and Peacock that was clear to all. but he knew all last year they would be gone for 2016 so you have to assume he has changed his tact regards approach towards his squad.If he hasn't, he only has himself to blame.
D4mo78 wrote:Backing Middleton_Loiner up - I've heard that last season only JP, Kev and Mags were on good terms with Brian, but even that changed when Kev announced his retirement. This year it's got worse with little communication from Brian to the players.
It's definitely believable given the stories we've heard over the years. If he really has lost the dressing room to this extent, it will be hard to get it back.
If he'd lost the dressing room, GH would have binned him by now.
Stevosfalseteeth wrote:If he'd lost the dressing room, GH would have binned him by now.
Stevie tell you that?
Jamie Peacock MBE wrote:'There's been a couple of times during my career when I've thought about moving elsewhere but, when I run out in front of 17,000, 18,000 people at Headingley, I've thought 'nah, this is the place for me'.
Stevosfalseteeth wrote:If he'd lost the dressing room, GH would have binned him by now.
I think he has lost the dressing room, but not to the extent said above, otherwise I agree here that GH would have binned him already. Instead he is evaluating options, which tells me Hetherington doesn't see it has bad as people have mentioned.
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Gotcha wrote:I think he has lost the dressing room, but not to the extent said above, otherwise I agree here that GH would have binned him already. Instead he is evaluating options, which tells me Hetherington doesn't see it has bad as people have mentioned.
Or his intended target isn't available until next season?
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