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 Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:08 pm 
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Willzay wrote:Yeah, how did Wakefield cheat last season? Did they go bust? No. Did they spend over the cap? Not in a million years. How did we cheat? :THINK:

Unless your on about us signing players and moving on players. In which case didn't Leigh and Bradford do the same? Did they cheat as well?


I did say "morally cheat".
Going an entire season in the fashion Wakefield did was morally reprehensible. Wakey keeping their place in SL was akin to that bloke dressing up as a woman to escape the Titanic.
So no taking the high ground.






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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 1:12 pm 
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MattyB wrote:Breaching the cap is breaching the cap. You can't be a "little bit" pregnant.


You could just imagine the judge asking the the other clubs did they have s3x and thereby became pregnant and them replying yes we did but it only lasted 2 minutes, whilst Wigan lasted 3 and half hours.






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 Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:07 pm 
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Ovavoo wrote:Whether it's a big cheat or little cheat, it's still a cheat. Think the clubs other than Wigan who cheated just didn't have the money or ambition to do a big cheat.

Wakey though did the worst morally wrong cheat last season.
Leigh should have come up, Wakey should gone down.


You are obviously not comfortable with Wigan’s antics a few seasons ago

But, why should Leigh have been promoted, when they neither, finished in the top 3 of “The Qualifiers” or made it to the MPG.
You should point the finger at the clowns that came up with the system and the RFL for implementing it.

Also, is there any difference in Wakefield (or anyone else) signing players to try and secure their SL status or, one of the top clubs bringing in a couple of overseas players to try and secure a league title.

As mentioned in my previous post, there is a world of difference in breaking the cap by a few grand, over the course of the season, due to getting lower attendances etc. than the antics of Wigan, who blatantly and deliberately brought in a superstar (Fielden) and also paid Radlinski posthumously or, a club that makes additional payments to players from a third party company as a way of getting round salary cap restrictions.

I hope that you can see the difference or perhaps you don’t want to ?

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 Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 3:39 pm 
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SL 2007. Richard Wright (Castleford Tigers then CEO) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Wigan Warriors. Namely the signing of Fielden, Radlinski and Dobson. The RFL (after faffing about for 6 months) finally dish out a punishment of a 4 point deduction. Too late for my club.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/j ... ague.sport

SL 2014 & 2015. Marc Green (Bradford Bulls) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Salford Red Devils. Namely the signing of Tony Puletua. The RFL .........


You see a pattern here ?
SL 2007. Richard Wright (Castleford Tigers then CEO) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Wigan Warriors. Namely the signing of Fielden, Radlinski and Dobson. The RFL (after faffing about for 6 months) finally dish out a punishment of a 4 point deduction. Too late for my club.

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2007/j ... ague.sport

SL 2014 & 2015. Marc Green (Bradford Bulls) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Salford Red Devils. Namely the signing of Tony Puletua. The RFL .........


You see a pattern here ?

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 Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
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Tigerade wrote:SL 2007. Richard Wright (Castleford Tigers then CEO) asks the RFL to look at "possible" salary cap breaches by Wigan Warriors. Namely the signing of Fielden, Radlinski and Dobson. The RFL (after faffing about for 6 months) finally dish out a punishment of a 4 point deduction. Too late for my club


Well no because in 2006 we lost 2 points for a breach in 2005.

If your point is that points deductions should happen in the same season you still would've been relegated.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 5:27 pm 
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Wigg'n wrote:Well no because in 2006 we lost 2 points for a breach in 2005.

If your point is that points deductions should happen in the same season you still would've been relegated.


Which one of you is right ?


By Gareth Walker

12:01AM BST 27 Jul 2007





Castleford Tigers are consulting their legal advisors after describing Wigan's breach of last season's salary cap as "one of the biggest injustices in the history of the sport".


Wigan were docked four points and ordered to pay costs on Wednesday after an independent tribunal ruled that they exceeded the 2006 salary cap by £222,314. That season the Warriors finished three points above Castleford, who were relegated to National League One.


The Tigers publicly aired their concerns to the Rugby Football League about Wigan's spending midway through last year, when they recruited Great Britain prop Stuart Fielden and outbid Castleford for Australian halfback Michael Dobson.


"The loss to Castleford is impossible to quantify," Richard Wright, the Castleford chief executive, said. "Financially the loss of £800,000 from TV rights was only the starting point. Players had to leave the club and others had to accept pay cuts. Even worse is the effect on the club itself and our fans. Yet this injustice could have been avoided."


It seems that one of you has a selective memory ?

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 Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
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What's your point? Which part of my post was confusing?

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 Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 6:00 pm 
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If the maximum penalty for breaching the salary cap is 20 points, would that not mean Salford face a 40 point deduction if they breached the cap in two seasons as it might be considered two separate offences?

If I get caught speeding on a Monday, I can't just do the same on Tuesday and expect it to be treated as part of Monday's offence, even if I don't receive the paperwork from Monday's offence until Wednesday.

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I would guess he means that the two points they were deducted in 2006 would have been deducted in 2005 instead, meaning they would have finished five points clear of Cas before any points deduction so the four points would have made no difference regarding Cas going down.

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:31 pm 
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MattyB wrote:Breaching the cap is breaching the cap. You can't be a "little bit" pregnant.


True, however it's the nature of the breach that's in question.

When Saints, Bradford and Halifax all breached in the same year, that was down to poorly worded rules regarding 3rd party payments and player image rights. Because the RFL were partly to blame for the breach due to poor wording of the rules the clubs ended up with just 2 point deductions.

If Salford have two sets of books and have therefore deliberately set out to not only breach the cap but to smash it into a million pieces, then the RFL have to hit them with the most severe penalty that they can. Also, Bradford and Halifax could take some form of legal action as had Salford been penalised during the season they committed the offences (2015) then Salford would have finished bottom of the middle 8's and the million pound game would have been at Odsal between the two of them. Go one further, if Salford were doing this back in 2014 then Bradford have even more reason to be aggrieved as they'd not have been relegated.

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