Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 11:21 am
wrencat1873
Club Coach
Joined: Apr 24 2011 Posts: 17980
MattyB wrote:All this talk of just Wigan makes me smile.
Lets not forget Wakefield, Halifax, St Helens, Hull FC, Bradford and now Salford.
Well it would you smile, wouldn't it. They didn't slightly overspend on he cap, due to not quite budgeting their attendances. What they did was to drive a bus through the cap and deliberately and blatantly cheat, to avoid relegation. It wasn't remotely subtle, more like a two finger gesture to the sport and the governing body
Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:01 pm
CM Punk
Player Coach
Joined: Sep 03 2005 Posts: 7647 Location: The Midlands
Salford deliberately exceeded the cap with the use of additional contracts. Wakefield, St Helens et al. accidentally exceeded the cap because of poor budgeting. Wigan did not exceed the cap.
Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:03 pm
Ovavoo
International Chairman
Joined: Apr 07 2002 Posts: 1454
Whether it's a big cheat or little cheat, it's still a cheat. Think the clubs other than Wigan who cheated just didn't have the money or ambition to do a big cheat.
Wakey though did the worst morally wrong cheat last season. Leigh should have come up, Wakey should gone down.
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Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:05 pm
bren2k
Club Coach
Joined: Mar 24 2010 Posts: 15521 Location: Ossett
The Devil's Advocate wrote:For all I know there could be a number of clubs doing the exact same thing
I'd be willing to bet my house that there are several clubs doing the exact same thing; the difference I guess is that they a) don't have an owner who gets drunk and mouths off about it on social media and b) they don't routinely get into disputes with players, thus removing their need to be complicit.
Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:33 pm
MattyB
International Board Member
Joined: Mar 06 2003 Posts: 20462
wrencat1873 wrote:Well it would you smile, wouldn't it. They didn't slightly overspend on he cap, due to not quite budgeting their attendances. What they did was to drive a bus through the cap and deliberately and blatantly cheat, to avoid relegation. It wasn't remotely subtle, more like a two finger gesture to the sport and the governing body
Can you spot the difference
Breaching the cap is breaching the cap. You can't be a "little bit" pregnant.
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Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:33 pm
Nothus
Club Coach
Joined: Mar 04 2005 Posts: 5880 Location: Bradford
Ovavoo wrote:Whether it's a big cheat or little cheat, it's still a cheat. Think the clubs other than Wigan who cheated just didn't have the money or ambition to do a big cheat.
Wakey though did the worst morally wrong cheat last season. Leigh should have come up, Wakey should gone down.
Yeah the side who finished bottom of the middle 8s last season should definitely have been promoted
Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:39 pm
tad rhino
Club Owner
Joined: Dec 19 2004 Posts: 24432 Location: in bed between halle berry and jennifer aniston
bren2k wrote:I'd be willing to bet my house that there are several clubs doing the exact same thing; the difference I guess is that they a) don't have an owner who gets drunk and mouths off about it on social media and b) they don't routinely get into disputes with players, thus removing their need to be complicit.
everyone knows one big club who do it, and have for years. indeed keith senior mentioned it in his book. it doesn't help that said clubs west Yorkshire based players boast about it
Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:52 pm
Willzay
Player Coach
Joined: Apr 13 2010 Posts: 11899
Ovavoo wrote:Whether it's a big cheat or little cheat, it's still a cheat. Think the clubs other than Wigan who cheated just didn't have the money or ambition to do a big cheat.
Wakey though did the worst morally wrong cheat last season. Leigh should have come up, Wakey should gone down.
Yeah, how did Wakefield cheat last season? Did they go bust? No. Did they spend over the cap? Not in a million years. How did we cheat?
Unless your on about us signing players and moving on players. In which case didn't Leigh and Bradford do the same? Did they cheat as well?
Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:55 pm
Willzay
Player Coach
Joined: Apr 13 2010 Posts: 11899
Ovavoo wrote:Whether it's a big cheat or little cheat, it's still a cheat. Think the clubs other than Wigan who cheated just didn't have the money or ambition to do a big cheat.
Wakey though did the worst morally wrong cheat last season. Leigh should have come up, Wakey should gone down.
Yeah, how did Wakefield cheat last season? Did they go bust? No. Did they spend over the cap? Not in a million years. How did we cheat?
Unless your on about us signing players and moving on players. In which case didn't Leigh and Bradford do the same? Did they cheat as well?
Post subject: Re: Salford Charged with Salary Cap Breach
Posted: Sat Mar 05, 2016 12:55 pm
RedUnderTheBed
Club Owner
Joined: Nov 14 2003 Posts: 1162
CM Punk wrote:Salford deliberately exceeded the cap with the use of additional contracts. Wakefield, St Helens et al. accidentally exceeded the cap because of poor budgeting. Wigan did not exceed the cap.
Yes Wigan did exceed the cap. See Yossarian's post a few pages ago with this link:
Read that report and tell me that what Salford are accused of was worse than that Not defending my club cos I think they've been at best utterly inept and at worst, if proven, cheated and deserve punishment. But the idea it is worse than wigans isn't right in my view As for the others, how do you prove that it was a genuine case of poor budgeting and not a deliberate over estimation of expected income?
CM Punk wrote:Salford deliberately exceeded the cap with the use of additional contracts. Wakefield, St Helens et al. accidentally exceeded the cap because of poor budgeting. Wigan did not exceed the cap.
Yes Wigan did exceed the cap. See Yossarian's post a few pages ago with this link:
Read that report and tell me that what Salford are accused of was worse than that Not defending my club cos I think they've been at best utterly inept and at worst, if proven, cheated and deserve punishment. But the idea it is worse than wigans isn't right in my view As for the others, how do you prove that it was a genuine case of poor budgeting and not a deliberate over estimation of expected income?
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