Dally wrote:An inane post. The fact that others pay for access to the dingle market is irrelevant. It is not set in stone. We are in a much stronger negotiating position and would be free to negotiate our own terms.
And you call my post inane? Of course it is relevant what others pay to access the single market. We now have concrete proof you are totally deluded.
This argument that we are in a much stronger negotiating position is just plain stupidity on your part. Where have you dreamt that one up? Have you just missed the saga of Cameron trying to negotiate a deal and coming away with naff all? Yet you are suggesting once we are out having spurned the EU they will roll out the red carpet and just let us benefit from the single market for free? You don't think for a minute that would not simply break the EU up overnight?
Quote:The Germans are pragmatic and it would be in their interests to allow that and so it would probably happen. Even if it did not it would not matter much in the long-term. If our exports to the EU were subject to tariffs we would still be better if long-term because the EU is a failing and dime would say failed duper state. If we stay in it will drag us down. We will have no bargaining power if the electorate say yes as our politicians will have no threat to back up their demands.
I have seen you spout some nonsense on here before but that takes the biscuit. No it won't happen. There is no reason for it to. We have to ask them for access to 400 million consumers. They in return get access to 65 million. We have no clout to demand anything except what they put on the table.
Quote:If you feel that we could not negotiate as mentioned above, that implies that the EU is incapable of reform in the medium term at least. Again, that is one its major problems and for economic security we therefore need to get out.
You aren't talking about negotiation but us dictating to them what we will pay (or not) for access the market. If they won't jump to our tune getting out doesn't solve anything as we are in exactly the same position.
Quote:Like all the in crowd all you come up with is short-term scaremongering. This is a long-term issue of the UK future destiny. Even if there were a short-term blip in the long-term it is my view that we would be much more prosperous over time.
In any event like all forced together blocs it will eventually collapse through people power and probably knowing Europe in bloodshed - ironically the thing it was originally set up to prevent. The writing is already on the wall with the migrant crisis and the economic cries acting as a catalyst. One more shock - like a major bank collapse or similar could tip it over. Likewise, in the unlikely event we vote out the thing may disintegrate - others will demand referenda.
It is not short term scaremongering. It's common sense. And in case yo missed it we haven't had a full on war between any members of EU since 1945, so it worked on that score as well. It's nationalism (and the Le Pen faction in France) that is far more dangerous in that regard.
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