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PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:02 am 
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Joe's always shown he's a natural rugby league player with a good set of hands and boot, a solid leader on the pitch at times too. Shame about his (rumoured) off field antics. Think he'll go well at wire or disappear from the game entirely.






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 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:22 am 
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Could we be in for Carney?

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 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:23 am 
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Good bit of business this to get 150k did work hard on the field but off the field was not the role model we were looking for. I would rather have the players we are signing now that lead on and off the field.

I don't see this as a step backwards but a step forwards at making the club players more professional.

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 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:27 am 
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Sebasteeno wrote:Could we be in for Carney?


Not without getting rid of another quota player I don't think. Unless the plan is to sack off Michaels and get someone better!

Of the players mentioned BJB or Charnley would both be good options.

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 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:34 am 
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Dave K. wrote:He was good last year (In an appalling side) and just about deserved his England spot, but overall in his time at Hull, he has been disappointing, two average season and two better ones. He certainly hasn't been outstanding, he doesn't score trys or sets them up, rarely makes a break either, he works hard and has good defence, but in his time as Hull, that's about it, I've seen more from Abdul (Who isn't ready to play LF full time) last season that I saw from Westerman last year.

So do we keep him for another year, hoping he will finally come good after 4 years and then let him go for free or do we sell him for a large fee and let players play LF who will do a more effective job for the club.


That really is revisionism/selective. I'd say IMO, but the stats say otherwise, too:

2015 - has been a disappointing year with few tries and clean breaks, but he does have a decent amount of tackle busts being joint 8th, and was level on assists with Pryce (who I know missed a few games).
2014 - low on tries, but joint 4th for assists with Heremaia at 9, only 1 behind Horne. He was our leading tackle buster with 81, and joint 7th for clean breaks with our POTY Talanoa.
2013 - joint 5th for tries and joint 7th for assists (only halves, hookers and Crooks with more, as it should be). 3rd for tackle busts and 10th for clean breaks (leading forward).
2012 - missed a huge chunk with shoulder dislocation.
2011 - 4th for tries, 5th for assists, 3rd for clean breaks, 4th for tackle busts. A great first season that still just wasn't good enough for many.

I have no wish to get into the ins and outs of his departure etc, but I have simply never understood the amount of criticism and lack of credit Westerman has received for most of his time here, and how many things that are stated are simply outright untrue.

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 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:44 am 
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Thanks for the service a change and a move away from Cas area will probs bring the best out of Joe and I'm sure he will be better under Tony Smith who turned Briers round off field, got to say the back rows we have coming in are far superior and we have a young lad in Abdul who has a lot of the handling skills Joe made his name for, I just hope we use the cap space wisely and strengthen the squad in an attacking manner, we make line breaks but we don't convert we dominate but do not put teams away this needs addressing with backs who support play and half's who can create try's and a hooker who can be spelled by another attacking threat round the ruck






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 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:53 am 
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Lang Park wrote:Yes I agree. Feel a bit sorry for you though. You've gone into bat against all and sundry defending AP's line that the club's hanging by a thread financially and now he comes out with this statement, pulling the rug from under you and making you look a fool.

Maybe he popped down to the kitchen for a choccy digestive and found 500k he forgot he'd stashed in the biscuit tin.


Our squad is up to full cap. We release Westerman, freeing up some cap. We replace Westerman with a salary that can be no more than his. So far we're square financially at worst. Then AP gets £150k to bridge funding shortfalls. Brilliant news! :thumb:

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 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:58 am 
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Mrs Barista wrote:funding shortfalls. Brilliant news! :thumb:

How much are these shortfalls?






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 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 11:59 am 
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Sebasteeno wrote:Could we be in for Carney?

We could be. Would be a bit awkward, mind.

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 Post subject: Re: westerman
PostPosted: Tue Oct 20, 2015 12:00 pm 
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frepneyboy wrote:How much are these shortfalls?

£150k lower than yesterday. Unless we use some to pay a fee, of course.

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