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 Post subject: Re: The slow death of HullFC
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:00 pm 
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Dave K. wrote:Lots of these anti Radford fans wanted B Smith as our new coach despite not coaching first team rugby for years. Has done a really nothing at Wakey and not improved them despite being able to bring in 9/10 new players.


I agree, we have to be careful what we wish for. How many of us would have kept Gentle in hindsight if we knew Radford was going to replace him for example.

Ideally I'd want a really experienced older coach who completely re-invents the club off the field, from the coaching staff, to the pre-match preparation, to the pre-season training...but I accept there aren't many of those available. I also don't watch the NRL so can't comment on what coaches (obviously more likely to be an assistant or unemployed coach) would be available.

the best compromise would be Daryl Powell, a coach who led Featherstone to 4 straight league titles on limited resources (and look how they've slipped since) took a Castleford side near the bottom of the league and out of confidence to 4th and a CC final. He then lost half a team, but has re-grouped again and finished 5th and still within a shout of 4th with a couple of weeks to go. He's also got the best out of players such as Shenton & Lynch who were deemed surplus to requirements at other clubs and has continued to bring young players through. You also wonder if he will start to think he's achieved all he can at Cas given the resources.

Yes (before someone points out!) Radford has beaten Powell's teams on a few occasions, but on the whole they've looked a lot more competitive than us, and as above I think his ability to get more out of players previously deemed not good enough or past it, is exactly what we need, as I don't think another wholesale shakeup of the squad is needed.

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UllFC wrote:I agree, we have to be careful what we wish for. How many of us would have kept Gentle in hindsight if we knew Radford was going to replace him for example.

Ideally I'd want a really experienced older coach who completely re-invents the club off the field, from the coaching staff, to the pre-match preparation, to the pre-season training...but I accept there aren't many of those available. I also don't watch the NRL so can't comment on what coaches (obviously more likely to be an assistant or unemployed coach) would be available.

the best compromise would be Daryl Powell, a coach who led Featherstone to 4 straight league titles on limited resources (and look how they've slipped since) took a Castleford side near the bottom of the league and out of confidence to 4th and a CC final. He then lost half a team, but has re-grouped again and finished 5th and still within a shout of 4th with a couple of weeks to go. He's also got the best out of players such as Shenton & Lynch who were deemed surplus to requirements at other clubs and has continued to bring young players through. You also wonder if he will start to think he's achieved all he can at Cas given the resources.

Yes (before someone points out!) Radford has beaten Powell's teams on a few occasions, but on the whole they've looked a lot more competitive than us, and as above I think his ability to get more out of players previously deemed not good enough or past it, is exactly what we need, as I don't think another wholesale shakeup of the squad is needed.


Were are the club going to get the 300k plus it would take to get Powell.

Radford has until Easter IMO.

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 Post subject: Re: The slow death of HullFC
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:10 pm 
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Dave K. wrote:Were are the club going to get the 300k plus it would take to get Powell.

Radford has until Easter IMO.


I agree with Ullfc on Powell, he's been fantastic, but he has a long deal at Cas I believe and would not be cheap. That's assuming he'd want to come.

Who else is out there that's available, I'm not sure. Bringing in an Aussie assitant comes with no guarantees - some have been great, some awful.

A few months ago many were wanting Brian Smith after his Wakey side showed an improvement, I doubt they'd be saying the same now.

It's difficult.






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 Post subject: Re: The slow death of HullFC
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Dave K. wrote:Were are the club going to get the 300k plus it would take to get Powell.

Radford has until Easter IMO.


It would be another gamble, but Pearson's shelled out £100K for players like Sneyd and Lynch before, and I think a decent coach would bring more rewards.

£300K is only an extra £40 or so needed from our regular support of 8K people. I can't speak for all of our fans but i'd quite happily give the club an extra £40 to see some decent rugby for a change!

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UllFC wrote:It would be another gamble, but Pearson's shelled out £100K for players like Sneyd and Lynch before, and I think a decent coach would bring more rewards.

£300K is only an extra £40 or so needed from our regular support of 8K people. I can't speak for all of our fans but i'd quite happily give the club an extra £40 to see some decent rugby for a change!


Maybe you could get Bumpy to set up a crowdfunder page?






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 Post subject: Re: The slow death of HullFC
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:33 pm 
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Dave K. wrote: Lots of these anti Radford fans wanted B Smith as our new coach despite not coaching first team rugby for years. Has done a really nothing at Wakey and not improved them despite being able to bring in 9/10 new players.

How many of the 'anti Radford' fans would that be then, 2, 3? I've certainly made no mention of BS as being our new coach so that's one off your imaginary masses!

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 Post subject: Re: The slow death of HullFC
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 9:46 pm 
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Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:Maybe you could get Bumpy to set up a crowdfunder page?

DAB, you really have nothing to add to a discussion do you except more cancerous claptrap.
If I had the money I'd buy Pearson out in a heartbeat, in many aspects he is worse than the Hetherington's, led fans up the garden path with his spin, deceit & lies and sold us short several times over.
But carry on with your pathetic trolling attempts...DAB

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knockersbumpMKII wrote:DAB, you really have nothing to add to a discussion do you except more cancerous claptrap.
If I had the money I'd buy Pearson out in a heartbeat, in many aspects he is worse than the Hetherington's, led fans up the garden path with his spin, deceit & lies and sold us short several times over.
But carry on with your pathetic trolling attempts...DAB


I was only suggesting that you'd be the man to get in touch with. Galvanising the masses to reach a common goal is your forte isn't it?






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 Post subject: Re: The slow death of HullFC
PostPosted: Sun Sep 27, 2015 10:26 pm 
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Mrs Barista wrote:Indeed. 5 hours 40 minutes to go, promised no more posts after Sunday. :lol:

He makes some valid points and is free to choose whether he plays his part in keeping the club afloat, of course.

Er you didnt go today, and you wont be buying a pass for next year, i do hope we keep afolat, of course






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