Post subject: Re: Head coach of the new Merged Academy
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:02 pm
DGM
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Keiththered wrote:Thanks for another snide remark.
Debutants are one thing, especially when they are in the squad because there is no one else available. Going on to be proven first team players is something else altogether.
When you have a production line like Leeds, Wigan or Saints you might have something to crow about. I don't see people on their forums belittling other teams Academies. Maybe they just don't feel the need.
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The point you missed regarding the trend in our debutants is that they're flowthrough following an increase in youth investment since Adam Pearson took over in 2011. Barring Chris Green on that list, all are early twenties/teenagers who are still in their early stages of development as SL players. Why, if Pearson's investment is starting to pay dividends, would merging with your 'good' academy be a good decision?
Leeds, Wigan or Saints aren't merging their juniors with an inferior setup. If Leeds merged their academy with Wakefield, I reckon there'd be a few belittling comments from Leeds fans.
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Post subject: Re: Head coach of the new Merged Academy
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:11 pm
Jimmy Carr
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Keiththered wrote:Thanks for that, not sure how many could be considered established first team players though.
Yes it does take time and we are still behind you but have made progress. This is recognised by most people other than a few of your contributors who like to get in the snide remark. Still if it makes them feel better.
Genuine question for you sir?
How will FC benefit from merging their academy with KR's - other than saving a few quid?
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Post subject: Re: Head coach of the new Merged Academy
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:35 pm
smudgersmith
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Doom&Gloom Merchant wrote:Leeds, Wigan or Saints aren't merging their juniors with an inferior setup. If Leeds merged their academy with Wakefield, I reckon there'd be a few belittling comments from Leeds fans.
Interesting point, this issue with the Hull Academy is on the pitch our first teams are not too far away from each other, it was down to the last derby who was playing in the mid 8's this year.
If things start to change as we start to see some daylight between the clubs then the academy will start to look a lot different, if Leeds and Wakey did merge the academy and the kids coming though had to choose a 1st team to sign for i'm sure they would have a first choice. Also will the 20's want to play duel reg at Gateshead or for the new Hull FC U23's?
Post subject: Re: Head coach of the new Merged Academy
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:46 pm
DGM
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smudgersmith wrote:Interesting point, this issue with the Hull Academy is on the pitch our first teams are not too far away from each other, it was down to the last derby who was playing in the mid 8's this year.
If things start to change as we start to see some daylight between the clubs then the academy will start to look a lot different, if Leeds and Wakey did merge the academy and the kids coming though had to choose a 1st team to sign for i'm sure they would have a first choice. Also will the 20's want to play duel reg at Gateshead or for the new Hull FC U23's?
It'd be exactly the same in terms of academy grading, merging a good academy with an outstanding one.
Leeds - Outstanding, Wakefield - Good
Hull FC - Outstanding, Hull KR - Good
It's not a 'snide remark' (before Keithy comes back all flustered) to say their setup is inferior.
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Post subject: Re: Head coach of the new Merged Academy
Posted: Thu Sep 10, 2015 5:55 pm
Dave K.
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Keiththered wrote:Thanks for that, not sure how many could be considered established first team players though.
Yes it does take time and we are still behind you but have made progress. This is recognised by most people other than a few of your contributors who like to get in the snide remark. Still if it makes them feel better.
Rovers academy is decent, the problem is that they aren't given the chance at first team level, rather sign loan players or average overseas players. Hull are also guilty of this but no were near the scale of Rovers.
Post subject: Re: Head coach of the new Merged Academy
Posted: Fri Sep 11, 2015 10:04 pm
Dave K.
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To be fair, this group of players are special and has always been said by the club, maybe this won't be repeated with less and less players playing the game.
Post subject: Re: Head coach of the new Merged Academy
Posted: Sat Sep 12, 2015 4:18 am
The Eclipse
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Just thinking about who is still eligible for the u19's next season, those who are likely to be a part of the merged setup. Pretty sure the following are: Callum Lancaster Harry Tyson Wilson Reece Dean Brad Clavering Jez Litten Jordan Lane Ross Osborne Connor Bower
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